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Code got robbed? Can anybody confirm this?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#101 - 2017-02-19 18:21:47 UTC
Railyn Quisqueya wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Djsaeu wrote:
And?

It is just another day at the office. So what's the big deal?


CODE was the only content miners had left in highsec. Straight


I'd dare say this is the best content they've provided yet. Or is content only "content" when it involves ganking miners?


Oh this is gold, I love a good hanger raid.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#102 - 2017-02-19 18:26:20 UTC
Lucas Lucias wrote:


Cause and effect, simple stuff really.

That you chose not to war dec stuff, or that you chose not to can flip because you go suspect so you can be shot by more capable people is your issue in terms of content.


Literally just told you why mining piracy died and it wasn't the suspect system.

Lucas Lucias wrote:

The Rorqual is going to have a much greater effect on people mining in hisec then CODE ever could have due to the massive yield possible from these ships and the impact on the market, but that is still content...


Not in highsec gameplay its not. A skiff pilot in highsec is still going to be the single most boring activity in gaming as well as the most simple.
Railyn Quisqueya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2017-02-19 18:38:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Railyn Quisqueya wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Djsaeu wrote:
And?

It is just another day at the office. So what's the big deal?


CODE was the only content miners had left in highsec. Straight


I'd dare say this is the best content they've provided yet. Or is content only "content" when it involves ganking miners?


Oh this is gold, I love a good hanger raid.


You may not enjoy this type of content, understandably, since it hits close to home. But I have to say, it is pretty poetic and entertaining. But I won't call it "content" if it makes you feel better.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#104 - 2017-02-19 18:42:56 UTC
Railyn Quisqueya wrote:


You may not enjoy this type of content, understandably, since it hits close to home. But I have to say, it is pretty poetic and entertaining. But I won't call it "content" if it makes you feel better.


My corp has literally stolen other alliances, try again.
Railyn Quisqueya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2017-02-19 18:59:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Railyn Quisqueya wrote:


You may not enjoy this type of content, understandably, since it hits close to home. But I have to say, it is pretty poetic and entertaining. But I won't call it "content" if it makes you feel better.


My corp has literally stolen other alliances, try again.


Did you just Conway me? Shocked Don't doubt your corp has. But was referring to this specific instance which doesn't seem to be sitting well with you.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#106 - 2017-02-19 19:06:55 UTC
Railyn Quisqueya wrote:


Did you just Conway me? Shocked Don't doubt your corp has. But was referring to this specific instance which doesn't seem to be sitting well with you.


bittersweet. Love a good raid but the who who asked why this is important needed the answer. Only reason CODE getting stomped is huge news is because it was the last bit of content miners had. This could be a good thing if it highlights just how barron highsec has become in terms of player created content.
Lucas Lucias
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#107 - 2017-02-19 19:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Lucias
baltec1 wrote:
Lucas Lucias wrote:


Cause and effect, simple stuff really.

That you chose not to war dec stuff, or that you chose not to can flip because you go suspect so you can be shot by more capable people is your issue in terms of content.


Literally just told you why mining piracy died and it wasn't the suspect system.

Lucas Lucias wrote:

The Rorqual is going to have a much greater effect on people mining in hisec then CODE ever could have due to the massive yield possible from these ships and the impact on the market, but that is still content...


Not in highsec gameplay its not. A skiff pilot in highsec is still going to be the single most boring activity in gaming as well as the most simple.


Piracy is the act of making profit out of valuable loot, because the price of the available ore in hisec is so low and that at most you can fill about 3.2m worth of Ore in a barge or exhumer you don't make money pirating that, which is why most people who do piracy are waiting on gates pirating transport ships and freighters. Mining piracy in hisec was always a moronic thing to do, which is why CODE did it. And you seem to think it is a great gaping hole in game play, seriously what a stupid point of view.

People do mine into cans still, if you are too lazy to spot them then that is your issue, same as it is your issue that you do not war dec people or that you do not want to go suspect. 27k m3 of ore is hardly worth nabbing though is it, maybe 27k m3 of ice is, that is 8m, nope not worth it either...

Pirating mining ships is moronic...

I came across people in hisec who were content to mine and enjoyed doing it, it is content for them, but not for you, I don't know why you have such a thing about it, especially as you don't do hisec mining yourself. And those same people who just like to do it will still do it even though what they are mining is worth nothing, because they can...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#108 - 2017-02-19 19:33:57 UTC
Lucas Lucias wrote:


Piracy is the act of making profit out of valuable loot, because the price of the available ore in hisec is so low and that at most you can fill about 3.2m worth of Ore in a barge or exhumer you don't make money pirating that, which is why most people who do piracy are waiting on gates pirating transport ships and freighters. Mining piracy in hisec was always a moronic thing to do, which is why CODE did it. And you seem to think it is a great gaping hole in game play, seriously what a stupid point of view.


CODE were never pirates, jetcan nerf happened just as they were born nd the org took off because of the nerfs to the other gameplay options. There was a huge amount of content to go with jetcans from pirating miners, baiting fights with said pirates and so on.

Lucas Lucias wrote:

People do mine into cans still, if you are too lazy to spot them then that is your issue


Where are the pirates, the people hunting them and all of the cans? Jetcan mining is not a thing anymore because CCP added a built in jetcan, there is no need for one anymore.


Lucas Lucias wrote:

, same as it is your issue that you do not war dec people or that you do not want to go suspect.


How many times are you going to repeat this lie? This is the third time I have said its not true.

Lucas Lucias wrote:

27k m3 of ore is hardly worth nabbing though is it, maybe 27k m3 of ice is, that is 8m, nope not worth it either...


And yet its enough to be worth mining.
Lucas Lucias wrote:

Pirating mining ships is moronic...

I came across people in hisec who were content to mine and enjoyed doing it, it is content for them, but not for you, I don't know why you have such a thing about it, especially as you don't do hisec mining yourself. And those same people who just like to do it will still do it even though what they are mining is worth nothing, because they can...


They don't do it because its fun, they do it because its a risk free way to make isk. Not the best way granted but it can be done while you play another game.
Lucas Lucias
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#109 - 2017-02-19 21:07:25 UTC
So why are you wittering on about piracy against miners then?

And people do jet can mine, I have seen them.

You have said continuously in other threads that you were upset with the change to can flipping and cried tears over it, CODE was in part born out of that cry of pain which you alluded to in your reply here. And they were never pirates, pirates fight for loot not tears, get your terminology right.

So stop calling blowing up mining ships as piracy because it is not.

Mining in hisec is hardly worth it, especially when the impact of massive mining from Rorquals hits home in the markets, but if that is what people want to waste their time doing and people are moronic enough to steal that worthless ore what can I say, but I find people whining about people no longer pirating miners idiotic in the extreme. The pirates are killing freighters and transport ships on the way to market, the risk is there. CODE is and always has been an idiotic organisation, but at least some saw where to make money and Kusion is one of them as was your corp under Warr Akini.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#110 - 2017-02-19 21:27:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Not in highsec gameplay its not. A skiff pilot in highsec is still going to be the single most boring activity in gaming as well as the most simple.

You mean a mining orca right? A skiff is full after a few minutes. A drone mining orca can stay in a belt for hours.

"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2017-02-19 21:31:01 UTC
Mark O'Helm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Not in highsec gameplay its not. A skiff pilot in highsec is still going to be the single most boring activity in gaming as well as the most simple.

You mean a mining orca right? A skiff is full after a few minutes. A drone mining orca can stay in a belt for hours.

But always more of a target, partially because it's more valuable, partially because the pilot is almost certainly completely AFK, making for an easier-than-usual gank.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#112 - 2017-02-19 21:32:23 UTC
Lucas Lucias wrote:
So why are you wittering on about piracy against miners then?

...

So stop calling blowing up mining ships as piracy because it is not.

What do NPC pirates do?

They are called pirates right?

The term seems to be totally fine for whatever purpose, even if it doesn't fit your narrow definition.

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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#113 - 2017-02-19 21:34:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

CODE was the only content miners had left in highsec. Straight

Not really. There are can flippers, thiefs, ransom bumpers, yellow flashy bait pilots, mtu killers, and don't forget heavy diskussions in local.
I drive an ice info channel, where we have sometimes hours of heavy arguying about everything eve and rl related. Especially when a certain guy turns up.
He loves to bring religion to every theme.

"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)

"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)

Lucas Lucias
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#114 - 2017-02-19 21:39:15 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Mark O'Helm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Not in highsec gameplay its not. A skiff pilot in highsec is still going to be the single most boring activity in gaming as well as the most simple.

You mean a mining orca right? A skiff is full after a few minutes. A drone mining orca can stay in a belt for hours.

But always more of a target, partially because it's more valuable, partially because the pilot is almost certainly completely AFK, making for an easier-than-usual gank.


No no no, it is certainly not AFK, I have mined with a Skiff and an Orca. And that makes a gank fun, because the Orca has a ship hanger and that is when you change to a ECM burst ship for lol's.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#115 - 2017-02-19 21:47:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lucas Lucias wrote:


Rubbish, they have plenty of content, want to get better yields from processing then invest in a EC, but of course that needs a corp, then they become subject to war decs, etc. Due to the removal of the watch list they can still stay in corp and mine, content is still there.

So why do I still see people dropping cans with ore in them? Shocked


Refining ore...

Sounds thrilling.



Wow! Refining ore. Logging in right now!!

On second thought, gonna go sit in the living room staring out the window in case somebody walks by. Roll

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8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#116 - 2017-02-19 21:58:03 UTC
Mark O'Helm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

CODE was the only content miners had left in highsec. Straight

Not really. There are can flippers, thiefs, ransom bumpers, yellow flashy bait pilots, mtu killers, and don't forget heavy diskussions in local.
I drive an ice info channel, where we have sometimes hours of heavy arguying about everything eve and rl related. Especially when a certain guy turns up.
He loves to bring religion to every theme.


When I started can flipping was much, much more common than it is now. I often mine while working from home, and I have not seen any of that content you speak of. Mining in HS was much, much more common too. Going to a 0.5 system alot of the belts would be heavily mined. Cans anchored all over the place, etc. Now, in those same systems the belts are wastelands with alot of untouched asteroids.

Yes, this is an anecdote, but over the years, my experience matches up to what baltec1 has been writing.

And technically, you can have that heavy "diskussions" with or without mining. And that kinda makes baltec1's point, that mining is really boring without some non-mining activity thrown in on top of it.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#117 - 2017-02-19 22:01:17 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Mark O'Helm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Not in highsec gameplay its not. A skiff pilot in highsec is still going to be the single most boring activity in gaming as well as the most simple.

You mean a mining orca right? A skiff is full after a few minutes. A drone mining orca can stay in a belt for hours.

But always more of a target, partially because it's more valuable, partially because the pilot is almost certainly completely AFK, making for an easier-than-usual gank.

If you bring enough firepower to suicide gank my 400khp orca in a 0.7 system, then you deserve it. If i am afk and cannot turn on my large shield booster of course.
Wich happens not often. Because i have a 7 ship fleet to manage. I do not bother to mine with drones btw.

"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)

"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#118 - 2017-02-19 22:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Mark O'Helm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Not in highsec gameplay its not. A skiff pilot in highsec is still going to be the single most boring activity in gaming as well as the most simple.

You mean a mining orca right? A skiff is full after a few minutes. A drone mining orca can stay in a belt for hours.

But always more of a target, partially because it's more valuable, partially because the pilot is almost certainly completely AFK, making for an easier-than-usual gank.


Orca got a fairly great buff. Sucker gets good yield and a solid tank, the only downside is it can be bumped. Combat Orca are also a thing.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#119 - 2017-02-19 22:06:24 UTC
Lucas Lucias wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Mark O'Helm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Not in highsec gameplay its not. A skiff pilot in highsec is still going to be the single most boring activity in gaming as well as the most simple.

You mean a mining orca right? A skiff is full after a few minutes. A drone mining orca can stay in a belt for hours.

But always more of a target, partially because it's more valuable, partially because the pilot is almost certainly completely AFK, making for an easier-than-usual gank.


No no no, it is certainly not AFK, I have mined with a Skiff and an Orca. And that makes a gank fun, because the Orca has a ship hanger and that is when you change to a ECM burst ship for lol's.

I was talking about a single drone mining orca, what is the ultimate afk miner now.

A little less yield then an unboosted skiff or mack plus massive tank and cargo.

"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)

"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)

Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#120 - 2017-02-19 22:10:46 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Mark O'Helm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

CODE was the only content miners had left in highsec. Straight

Not really. There are can flippers, thiefs, ransom bumpers, yellow flashy bait pilots, mtu killers, and don't forget heavy diskussions in local.
I drive an ice info channel, where we have sometimes hours of heavy arguying about everything eve and rl related. Especially when a certain guy turns up.
He loves to bring religion to every theme.


When I started can flipping was much, much more common than it is now. I often mine while working from home, and I have not seen any of that content you speak of. Mining in HS was much, much more common too. Going to a 0.5 system alot of the belts would be heavily mined. Cans anchored all over the place, etc. Now, in those same systems the belts are wastelands with alot of untouched asteroids.

Yes, this is an anecdote, but over the years, my experience matches up to what baltec1 has been writing.

And technically, you can have that heavy "diskussions" with or without mining. And that kinda makes baltec1's point, that mining is really boring without some non-mining activity thrown in on top of it.
Sorry. I should have mentioned, that i am a full time ice miner in the best ice constellation of new eden.
With 8 belts in 6 chained systems. 1 system has 3 belts after the downtime. A lot of miner attracts a lot of "content creators". 😎

"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)

"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)