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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#1 - 2017-02-18 20:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
I think anyone who completely relies on someone else's shared fits needs to go get creative and put something together situationally, but you can't get stuck to one fitting type.

For instance if I put together something to pvp, it's usually solo in mind because I can't expect help. I expect to be completely immobile and surrounded any fight it gets. The fits end up being A solo thorax with no prop mod, low end medium rails for the best ranged tracking with bonus and disruptor range and it STILL can't hit the stratios that is webbed.


I've lately found out that not only would it probably would be better off with small projectiles and more fitting room for defense in that idea, I've been using the wrong ship type for best trying to survive a scram/web/neuts gang. It's only actually worked against Alibaba and the 40 alts (before the bot rules happened) in thrashers chasing me and that was with an afterburner i'm pretty sure.


So I found a comfort range with the vexor. It works because you can **** someones micromanagement off if you recall the drones 50 times, at the same time it's great when someone attempts to kill you with expensive drones. Because then they actually worry about losing them.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#2 - 2017-02-18 21:36:48 UTC
salvagers and tractors on a Thrasher.

Why? because i can!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#3 - 2017-02-18 21:41:09 UTC
I think players are more interested in a starting point for fits as opposed to blind carbon copying them.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#4 - 2017-02-18 22:31:10 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I think players are more interested in a starting point for fits as opposed to blind carbon copying them.

Most are blind carbon copiers Ive found. After a while a few will innovate but most will simply just use a fit someone gives them. Humans are notoriously lazy and would rather social loaf and mooch than think for themselves. Tbh I think its a factor of being told what to think not how to think through public education myself, though that is indicative of a much greater issue about control and such.Blink

I was always amazed when a good friend of mine would ask me for my opinion on fits. Hes just as old in game as I am and PvPs constantly and has a much better grasp on fits and I was always honored that hed ask my opinion on something still.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2017-02-18 22:33:43 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Most are blind carbon copiers Ive found. After a while a few will innovate but most will simply just use a fit someone gives them. Humans are notoriously lazy and would rather social loaf and mooch than think for themselves. Tbh I think its a factor of being told what to think not how to think through public education myself, though that is indicative of a much greater issue about control and such.Blink

I was always amazed when a good friend of mine would ask me for my opinion on fits. Hes just as old in game as I am and PvPs constantly and has a much better grasp on fits and I was always honored that hed ask my opinion on something still.

After you've started at a fit a dozen or more times in Pyfa (etc.) you tend to lose your objectivity. Sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can be really beneficial.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#6 - 2017-02-18 22:36:39 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Most are blind carbon copiers Ive found. After a while a few will innovate but most will simply just use a fit someone gives them. Humans are notoriously lazy and would rather social loaf and mooch than think for themselves. Tbh I think its a factor of being told what to think not how to think through public education myself, though that is indicative of a much greater issue about control and such.Blink

I was always amazed when a good friend of mine would ask me for my opinion on fits. Hes just as old in game as I am and PvPs constantly and has a much better grasp on fits and I was always honored that hed ask my opinion on something still.

After you've started at a fit a dozen or more times in Pyfa (etc.) you tend to lose your objectivity. Sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can be really beneficial.

Yes the overthinking aspect happens.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#7 - 2017-02-18 22:59:36 UTC
Fitting is way too hard. I've always stolen or borrowed fits and then tailored them to my liking.

@lunettelulu7
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2017-02-19 04:11:23 UTC
Back when Battleclinic was happening there was a lot of bad fits being posted. Despite that I still used Battleclinic to get a base idea for ship fits which I would then refine and update in EFT with my Character's skills imported.

After I got the fit maxed out as best as I could for my character, I'd then log into Eve, go shopping and do the actual fit. That worked out pretty well for me and it definitely saddened me to see Battleclinic close down.


DMC

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-02-19 04:15:12 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Back when Battleclinic was happening there was a lot of bad fits being posted. Despite that I still used Battleclinic to get a base idea for ship fits which I would then refine and update in EFT with my Character's skills imported.

After I got the fit maxed out as best as I could for my character, I'd then log into Eve, go shopping and do the actual fit. That worked out pretty well for me and it definitely saddened me to see Battleclinic close down.


DMC




same process for me, but using losses on the KB, opening 200 kill mails and seeing what people fit etc
it's very interesting checking the various fits
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2017-02-19 05:19:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Guys...

really read what the OP posted.

He is saying that...
- he fit Railguns on his thorax (for range)
- he has no propulsion module
- is fitting for solo
- is working under the assumption that he will be "immobile" the entire fight

Then he goes on to explain how he is fitting frigate sized weapons to a cruiser (which, granted, is not always bad thing).


Either this is a troll or someone REALLY needs to help this newbie out and explain the birds and the bees to him.

How did you Veterans start?
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-02-19 05:28:01 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Guys...

really read what the OP posted.

He is saying that...
- he fit Railguns on his thorax (for range)
- he has no propulsion module
- is fitting for solo
- is working under the assumption that he will be "immobile" the entire fight

Then he goes on to explain how he is fitting frigate sized weapons to a cruiser (which, granted, is not always bad thing).


Either this is a troll or someone REALLY needs to help this newbie out and explain the birds and the bees to him.


sorry broski... but since when we should read what OP said? i usually just read only the last post and answer to it
#2k17Logic
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2017-02-19 05:28:42 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Guys...

really read what the OP posted.

He is saying that...
- he fit Railguns on his thorax (for range)
- he has no propulsion module
- is fitting for solo
- is working under the assumption that he will be "immobile" the entire fight

Then he goes on to explain how he is fitting frigate sized weapons to a cruiser (which, granted, is not always bad thing).


Either this is a troll or someone REALLY needs to help this newbie out and explain the birds and the bees to him.

Sorry, didn't make that connection.

Maybe you could send him some fitting tips and tricks in a personal Eve Mail message.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Tristan Valentina
Moira.
#13 - 2017-02-19 05:33:22 UTC
One thing about Fitting is there are optimal ways to do it. So these optimal ways come through in most fits. Dropping a Damage mod off of a Hecate loses a lot for very little gain sort of thing. Creative ship fitting is totally possible but there are best in class ways to do it.
mkint
#14 - 2017-02-19 05:36:11 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Guys...

really read what the OP posted.

He is saying that...
- he fit Railguns on his thorax (for range)
- he has no propulsion module
- is fitting for solo
- is working under the assumption that he will be "immobile" the entire fight

Then he goes on to explain how he is fitting frigate sized weapons to a cruiser (which, granted, is not always bad thing).


Either this is a troll or someone REALLY needs to help this newbie out and explain the birds and the bees to him.

Yeah, I'm with you here. My thought was "well, if he's getting it to work, I guess it's okay then" except it sounds like he wasn't getting it to work.

@OP: the sad truth is boring fits are usually more effective than exotic fits. And exotic, when they don't fail spectacularly, work because they get unexpected performance out of a ship, a la battlebadgers. So yeah, your PVP thorax should probably be fit with medium neutron blasters, tackle, buffer, MWD, and as many magstabs as you can squeeze on. The list of possible loadouts that aren't terrible for a thorax is pretty short, you're not going to be surprising anybody. Better to surprise them with how you fly.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2017-02-19 05:36:46 UTC
Just checked OP's profile / history info.

Quote:
Date of Birth: 2013-06-05 18:42
First Forum Visit: 2013-06-09 04:18
Number of Posts: 1,161

Doesn't appear to be a newbie to me.


DMC

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Wolfgang Jannesen
Scrapyard Artificer's
#16 - 2017-02-19 14:28:54 UTC
There's no shame in reading up on fits. Using whatever you read without any experimentation is a shame, but honestly I don't see what the issue is.
Keno Skir
#17 - 2017-02-19 16:53:49 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Guys...

really read what the OP posted.

He is saying that...
- he fit Railguns on his thorax (for range)
- he has no propulsion module
- is fitting for solo
- is working under the assumption that he will be "immobile" the entire fight

Then he goes on to explain how he is fitting frigate sized weapons to a cruiser (which, granted, is not always bad thing).


Either this is a troll or someone REALLY needs to help this newbie out and explain the birds and the bees to him.


Yeah this, thanks for saving me the writing time Shah Pirate

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#18 - 2017-02-19 16:59:07 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Back when Battleclinic was happening there was a lot of bad fits being posted. Despite that I still used Battleclinic to get a base idea for ship fits which I would then refine and update in EFT with my Character's skills imported.

After I got the fit maxed out as best as I could for my character, I'd then log into Eve, go shopping and do the actual fit. That worked out pretty well for me and it definitely saddened me to see Battleclinic close down.
DMC

I miss Battleclinic, too - it had a lot of really decent fits. Now everything I see in o.smium.org is either Officer-Deadspace fit or maxed out for DPS with no regard to practical use or application.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2017-02-19 17:10:12 UTC
Yeah, Battleclinic had some good fits as well as average fits. But they also had a lot of bad fits too.



DMC

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2017-02-19 17:25:09 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I think players are more interested in a starting point for fits as opposed to blind carbon copying them.

Most are blind carbon copiers Ive found. After a while a few will innovate but most will simply just use a fit someone gives them. Humans are notoriously lazy and would rather social loaf and mooch than think for themselves. Tbh I think its a factor of being told what to think not how to think through public education myself, though that is indicative of a much greater issue about control and such.Blink

For years i only made my fits couple times. And it almost always for PvE. Because for PvE you can make some assumptions.
But in PvP you either learn to run from every enemy or constantly get into unexpected situations. Which leaves only small place for any experimentations.

In the end it's easier to just use someone's other fits and do not waste time reinventing the wheel Cool

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