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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#81 - 2017-02-18 14:18:29 UTC
Federation site confirmed Kyonoke.

Suspicions confirmed. Nothing much changes in this regard, but it's infuriating to see that this report is four days old before it reaches public awareness.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2017-02-18 14:49:36 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
I could help to fabricate a drone to assist in hot lab operations and the retrieval of Kyonoke samples from infected zones or just study the thing remotely in a lab inside the quarantine zone, but really, you don't need me to do that. There's plenty enough drones suitable for the purpose floating around in the market already.


Considering that the Caldari State's apparently been studying the thing at the Pit on-site and from a distance, it seems possible that nobody's figured out a good method for containment. It looks like even the parties responsible for the current outbreak have suffered casualties, and might actually just all be dead, at least the ones who've actually been handling it personally.

Hopefully the various quarantine measures hold, but retrieving a sample is presently very likely to cause a quarantine breach unless you already know exactly what you're doing.

Which, none of us do.

Please don't mess around with this stuff? We don't need the additional megadeaths.


I personally advise studying the pathogen remotely inside the quarantine zone to avoid unnecessary deaths. In fact, aren't there drones that can perform 3D crystal chromatography on site?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#83 - 2017-02-18 21:04:39 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

I personally advise studying the pathogen remotely inside the quarantine zone to avoid unnecessary deaths. In fact, aren't there drones that can perform 3D crystal chromatography on site?

No, minmatar, because there is NO SUCH THING. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions. Do you even have schools in your Republic or something? Or just throw words you heard from Caldari without even trying to understand them?

3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice. Though I doubt you will understand even 5% of what I've just said.

Whatever.

Leave that thing to professionals and don't make up a clown out of yourself next time.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#84 - 2017-02-19 01:35:57 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

I personally advise studying the pathogen remotely inside the quarantine zone to avoid unnecessary deaths. In fact, aren't there drones that can perform 3D crystal chromatography on site?

No, minmatar, because there is NO SUCH THING. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions. Do you even have schools in your Republic or something? Or just throw words you heard from Caldari without even trying to understand them?

3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice. Though I doubt you will understand even 5% of what I've just said.

Whatever.

Leave that thing to professionals and don't make up a clown out of yourself next time.

I'll attempt to re-write this in a much kinder tone, implying that what Diana's saying is true.

"Hey there Elmund, there's no such thing as that, sorry to say. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions.

3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice.

If you need any help learning on these subjects, I'm sure I could help out - we all aren't the best at some things. Have a nice day!"

See? That was much more kind.

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#85 - 2017-02-19 03:37:40 UTC
When you are training a slaver hound, you shall show them place at your boot. I don't want to waste effort on niceties with minmatars.

And I am not going to help enemy of the State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#86 - 2017-02-19 04:16:14 UTC
Since when is Elmund under your training? You replied to correct him did you not? If you were unwilling to help an "enemy of the state" I would imagine not commenting would have been the more correct course of action....
Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#87 - 2017-02-19 05:11:09 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Since when is Elmund under your training? You replied to correct him did you not? If you were unwilling to help an "enemy of the state" I would imagine not commenting would have been the more correct course of action....

It was in reference to the last line of my edit: "If you need any help learning on these subjects, I'm sure I could help out - we all aren't the best at some things."

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#88 - 2017-02-19 05:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Deitra Vess wrote:
Since when is Elmund under your training? You replied to correct him did you not? If you were unwilling to help an "enemy of the state" I would imagine not commenting would have been the more correct course of action....

I helped the discussion against an uneducated comment of a tribal, who had no idea about crystal structure analysis and chromatography. Let's close further derailment. If you have other questions to me, which are unrelated to the problem under discussion, please post them to my NeoCom mailbox.

Asking me about my motives is not what constitutes good conversaton and goes right into trolling, Ms. Vess. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind instead questions about how structure analysis methods work. Pity that you minmatars are interested in the former and not the latter, and that's why I don't feel comfortable speaking with you.

I think I asked you actually before to not adress me AGAIN on public forum. I will do it one more time. STOP IT.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2017-02-19 08:36:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Merchant Rova wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

I personally advise studying the pathogen remotely inside the quarantine zone to avoid unnecessary deaths. In fact, aren't there drones that can perform 3D crystal chromatography on site?

No, minmatar, because there is NO SUCH THING. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions. Do you even have schools in your Republic or something? Or just throw words you heard from Caldari without even trying to understand them?

3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice. Though I doubt you will understand even 5% of what I've just said.

Whatever.

Leave that thing to professionals and don't make up a clown out of yourself next time.

I'll attempt to re-write this in a much kinder tone, implying that what Diana's saying is true.

"Hey there Elmund, there's no such thing as that, sorry to say. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions.

3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice.

If you need any help learning on these subjects, I'm sure I could help out - we all aren't the best at some things. Have a nice day!"

See? That was much more kind.


So, you are telling me that a small team of drones consisting of:

1. Harvester drones - hover-type drones powered by hydrogen fuel cells that siphon gases or liquids and are equipped with interchangeable filters and carry the samples to a singular...
2. Mobile lab drone - rover-type drone the size of a van powered by either micro-fusion generators or shielded radioisotope thermoelectric generator (depending on manufacturer) which comes with the necessary equipment to perform the tests required on site and transmit raw data to an off-site lab for analysis.

And that there is no way to equip the mobile lab drone with the following:

1. Condensers to convert raw air samples provided by harvester drones into solutions.
2. Reagent tanks and injectors to prepare solution for crystallization process
3. Internal environment control systems to regulate conditions necessary for crystallization process
4. Crystal analysis equipment which screens the crystals, extract them and run X-ray diffraction on the crystal sample
5. A computer which logs the data
6. A transceiver which receives input and controls and sends data to an off-site source?

These drones utilise weak AI no more advanced than those of an AIMED and can be remotely controlled by off-site techs even.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#90 - 2017-02-19 09:54:21 UTC
Egivand. You are inventing a bicycle with square wheels. Stop this heresy and leave it to someone who understands how analysis methods work. Dixi.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2017-02-19 10:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Egivand. You are inventing a bicycle with square wheels. Stop this heresy and leave it to someone who understands how analysis methods work. Dixi.


Said the soldier without a commander who has never built a single thing even once, and believes that it's possible to eyeball a frigate orbiting or making a 90 degrees flight trajectory at ranges beyond 20km and expect to hit with railguns.

I can even draft out a rough blueprint for such drones. I do not even need to draft out one from scratch even. Just get a contact in Pator Tech School to send me a blueprint of the modular drone chassis and work from there.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#92 - 2017-02-19 10:49:45 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Egivand. You are inventing a bicycle with square wheels. Stop this heresy and leave it to someone who understands how analysis methods work. Dixi.


Said the soldier without a commander who has never built a single thing even once, and believes that it's possible to eyeball a frigate orbiting or making a 90 degrees flight trajectory at ranges beyond 20km and expect to hit with railguns.

I can even draft out a rough blueprint for such drones. I do not even need to draft out one from scratch even. Just get a contact in Pator Tech School to send me a blueprint of the modular drone chassis and work from there.

1. I have a commander.
2. I've built more ships than you ever flew.
3. You've aboslutely zero knowledge about my tactics in a fight.
4. And yes, this simple Caldari soldier knows way more than that Minmatar "engineer" about science and construction.

So please be so kind, stop annoying me with your "pearls", and return back to welding your teapots.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#93 - 2017-02-19 12:01:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Egivand. You are inventing a bicycle with square wheels. Stop this heresy and leave it to someone who understands how analysis methods work. Dixi.


Said the soldier without a commander who has never built a single thing even once, and believes that it's possible to eyeball a frigate orbiting or making a 90 degrees flight trajectory at ranges beyond 20km and expect to hit with railguns.

I can even draft out a rough blueprint for such drones. I do not even need to draft out one from scratch even. Just get a contact in Pator Tech School to send me a blueprint of the modular drone chassis and work from there.

1. I have a commander.
2. I've built more ships than you ever flew.
3. You've aboslutely zero knowledge about my tactics in a fight.
4. And yes, this simple Caldari soldier knows way more than that Minmatar "engineer" about science and construction.

So please be so kind, stop annoying me with your "pearls", and return back to welding your teapots.

Except that Elmund has the right idea. Drones are more then capable of gathering samples and physically running any analysis needed and sending back the data without placing anyone in harms way. It would basically be an upgraded AIMED taking samples and running them through any type of test imaginable. Might take a few different types of drones to cover all the different types of tests that need to be done, but basically we'd just be giving the machines we would use to run the tests a means to gather and prep their own samples. It's not beyond the scope of our technology.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Rossanjiin Eskeitan
Guri Raiders
#94 - 2017-02-19 14:41:49 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
I'll attempt to re-write this in a much kinder tone, implying that what Diana's saying is true.

"Hey there Elmund, there's no such thing as that, sorry to say. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions.

3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice.

If you need any help learning on these subjects, I'm sure I could help out - we all aren't the best at some things. Have a nice day!"

See? That was much more kind.


You should do this more often with her posts. I had a nice laugh, picturing her being more than a fart in the wind.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2017-02-20 10:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Egivand. You are inventing a bicycle with square wheels. Stop this heresy and leave it to someone who understands how analysis methods work. Dixi.


Said the soldier without a commander who has never built a single thing even once, and believes that it's possible to eyeball a frigate orbiting or making a 90 degrees flight trajectory at ranges beyond 20km and expect to hit with railguns.

I can even draft out a rough blueprint for such drones. I do not even need to draft out one from scratch even. Just get a contact in Pator Tech School to send me a blueprint of the modular drone chassis and work from there.

1. I have a commander.
2. I've built more ships than you ever flew.
3. You've aboslutely zero knowledge about my tactics in a fight.
4. And yes, this simple Caldari soldier knows way more than that Minmatar "engineer" about science and construction.

So please be so kind, stop annoying me with your "pearls", and return back to welding your teapots.

Except that Elmund has the right idea. Drones are more then capable of gathering samples and physically running any analysis needed and sending back the data without placing anyone in harms way. It would basically be an upgraded AIMED taking samples and running them through any type of test imaginable. Might take a few different types of drones to cover all the different types of tests that need to be done, but basically we'd just be giving the machines we would use to run the tests a means to gather and prep their own samples. It's not beyond the scope of our technology.


First, to Diana:

1. Agents are not your commander, neither are the free captains volunteering for the unenviable task of being the fleet commander. Agents are paymasters tasked to hire skilled hands to do work on a contract by contract basis. You simply volunteer to take up their job for renumeration. Free captain fleet commanders are just people you volunteer to subordinate yourself to for as long as there's a common goal.

2. Building ships by feeding BPOs or BPCs to a station-side fabrication systems computer and waiting for a completed product is completely different from actually building the thing with your own hands. When's the last time you took apart a missile launcher auto-loader to figure out how the various component works and when's the last time you built a functioning small-scale shield emitter with your own hands?

3. I admit to not knowing all your tactics in a ship fight. This has nothing to do with that one time you claimed to eyeball a target with your railguns.

4. Explain the difference in the mechanics of sustained shield emitters and the mechanics of stock shield emitters, relate the difference to their electronics and why they possess generally greater thermic and kinetic energy resistance but retained that glaringly massive EM hole.

Also, you are the one who picked this fight first. I can't not annoy you if you engaged me in conversation in the first place.

Next, to Claudia:

We do not have scientific drones outfitted for this task already? This can't be the first time someone mentioned such a drone.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#96 - 2017-02-20 15:40:26 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
to Claudia:

We do not have scientific drones outfitted for this task already? This can't be the first time someone mentioned such a drone.

we have had the ability to remotely gather samples and study the material composition of objects since before we started settling other worlds. It's one of the ways we determined if they were safe to inhabit.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#97 - 2017-02-20 16:59:22 UTC
Efu site confirmed Kyonoke.

Little news otherwise on the contagion.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#98 - 2017-02-20 18:28:48 UTC
At this point it'll be a novelty if a quarantine turns out to be anything else.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2017-02-21 08:47:45 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
to Claudia:

We do not have scientific drones outfitted for this task already? This can't be the first time someone mentioned such a drone.

we have had the ability to remotely gather samples and study the material composition of objects since before we started settling other worlds. It's one of the ways we determined if they were safe to inhabit.


That lessens my concern that the cluster at large is throwing away human lives unnecessarily. Well, in matters outside of warfare and interstellar off-station activities at least.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#100 - 2017-02-22 09:49:50 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

First, to Diana:

1. Agents are not your commander, neither are the free captains volunteering for the unenviable task of being the fleet commander. Agents are paymasters tasked to hire skilled hands to do work on a contract by contract basis. You simply volunteer to take up their job for renumeration. Free captain fleet commanders are just people you volunteer to subordinate yourself to for as long as there's a common goal.

Stop showing your incompetence. I meant neither of them.

Elmund Egivand wrote:

2. Building ships by feeding BPOs or BPCs to a station-side fabrication systems computer and waiting for a completed product is completely different from actually building the thing with your own hands. When's the last time you took apart a missile launcher auto-loader to figure out how the various component works and when's the last time you built a functioning small-scale shield emitter with your own hands?

I can disassemble and assemble any standard AWM issued weapon with closed eyes.

Elmund Egivand wrote:

3. I admit to not knowing all your tactics in a ship fight. This has nothing to do with that one time you claimed to eyeball a target with your railguns.

And I admit you still failed to comprehend the thing I said back then, starting huge drama and offtopic. As I see you are still bothered about it, let me relieve it with trying to explain with words that even someone like brutor could understand.
It was said not about TARGETING with eyeballs. It was said for LOOKING where your railguns are pointed. Just LOOKING along the line they did shoot.
And yes, people who fail to understand even such primitive concepts annoy me. I am not a teacher. I am a soldier. Go learn somewhere, or something.

Elmund Egivand wrote:

4. Explain the difference in the mechanics of sustained shield emitters and the mechanics of stock shield emitters, relate the difference to their electronics and why they possess generally greater thermic and kinetic energy resistance but retained that glaringly massive EM hole.

Also, you are the one who picked this fight first. I can't not annoy you if you engaged me in conversation in the first place.

Read my previous answer. That's not related to the subject. Go hire yourself a teacher, not me. If you can't comprehend even simple concepts, I am not going to waste my time on explaining you more advanced topics.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.