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[MITG] Public statement on Operation Ikaheka Freedom
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Syenna Celeste
Sunny Weather Mercenaries
The Initiative.
#21 - 2017-02-18 22:00:24 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Please don't prevaricate and give us some facts.


Miss Kim,

We will not be pandering to the court of public opinion on this matter. We've outlined the action that was taken, and that is all the explanation that we feel is owed.

You may have better luck contacting MITG pilots privately.

Regards,
Celeste.

Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#22 - 2017-02-18 22:01:06 UTC
While I can't speak to that, Diana, as I believe such details are up to my superiors and those directly involved first hand. I can speak to something more direct.

To add on to what was already stated by Sanxing and others, the orbital infrastructure in question was all evacuated at the time of destruction. There was some movement detected by sensors but according to the logs we took it was purely automated processes. Trams, assembly lines, cargo tubes, and the like.

For any interested parties I took detailed sensor logs both before, during, and after the final bombardment. Sensor logs before and after the attack were from high powered sensor suites on board my personal Buzzard class scout ship. During the bombardment however, fleet protocol had me in a Raven class battleship. And as such while those logs can be provided they are not as conclusive as the other ship logs available.

Additionally, biomass surveys of the wreckage from the Noctis ship I commanded that we had scouring the site confirmed no humanoid biomass save for spare unactivated clones, food stores, and various animal life that was not evacuated for reasons unknown. Additional compliments to Sanxing for the deployment of the MTU, as we were not able to have salvage ships on site as soon as the Astrahus was destroyed. Their thinking probably saved the inhabitants of Lirsautton V from needless debris showers over the next several weeks.
Khiel Yat Ojin
Sanxing Yi
#23 - 2017-02-18 22:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Khiel Yat Ojin
Evi Polevhia wrote:
and various animal life that was not evacuated for reasons unknown.


Ah, I would put that down to a misplaced Fedo population that had taken up their homes within vents of the lower levels, the dealing with which was abandoned due to evacuation efforts, along with micro-fauna brought into for the development of healthy maturation of various eco-spaces we had under construction. Livestock in transit and companion animals were, to my knowledge, all safely evacuated along with baseliner inhabitants responsible for them.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#24 - 2017-02-18 22:39:26 UTC
Khiel Yat Ojin wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
and various animal life that was not evacuated for reasons unknown.


Ah, I would put that down to a misplaced Fedo population that had taken up their homes within vents of the lower levels, the dealing with which was abandoned due to evacuation efforts, along with micro-fauna brought into for the development of healthy maturation of various eco-spaces we had under construction. Livestock in transit and companion animals were, to my knowledge, all safely evacuated along with baseliner inhabitants responsible for them.


Thank you for the clarification on the matter, sir.
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#25 - 2017-02-18 23:12:29 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Shortly after one of our former brothers in Pyre joined the Akagi Initiative, currently under contract with the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive, his former CEO Taisho Xun Yu of Sanxing [SANXI] attempted to exert diplomatic pressure on Akagi Initiative to fire said pilot, citing alleged earlier crimes against Sanxing security forces.

Considering this to be an intolerable breach of this pilot's honor and right to self-determination over the trivial matter of a small number of baseliner deaths, and preferring not to exert counter-pressure on respectable entities like I-RED or Akagi, we decided instead to reduce the credibility and potential impact of Sanxing sanctions by complete destruction of any and all of their in-space assets within our reach.


In all honesty, it just sounds like you wanted an excuse to pad the killboards with a relatively undefended Astrahaus because preying on sheep is easier as a starving wolf. Does I-RED always war-dec people who hurt their feelings or just humanitarian organizations?

Is it really worth defending the honor of a whining criminal who's incapable of claiming responsibility for his actions? Would you like the records proving him responsible for his "alleged" crimes? Would you really sit there and destroy an entire Citadel because somebody hurt your feewings? Really?

You want to know a response to diplomatic pressure you could have used instead of flinging ships at the problem? "No."

Don't hide this under some shame of honoring another pilot's dignity. It's just a thinly veneered attempt at rationalizing more generic Capsuleer bloodlust.

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Jev North
Doomheim
#26 - 2017-02-18 23:23:52 UTC
Are you speaking these accusations in any kind of official capacity for SFRIM?

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#27 - 2017-02-18 23:30:23 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Are you speaking these accusations in any kind of official capacity for SFRIM?


You're avoiding the points I made with the hope that with either way I answer, you can either blow me off (if unofficial) or threaten me (official).

Could you imagine, for just a moment, the reason a man in a humanitarian organization would critique the corporation responsible for the destruction of another humanitarian organization?

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#28 - 2017-02-18 23:33:56 UTC
SFRIM is a humanitarian organization now?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Zanzibar Heroshima
Daeuuas.
#29 - 2017-02-18 23:35:14 UTC
Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Are you speaking these accusations in any kind of official capacity for SFRIM?


You're avoiding the points I made with the hope that with either way I answer, you can either blow me off (if unofficial) or threaten me (official).

Could you imagine, for just a moment, the reason a man in a humanitarian organization would critique the corporation responsible for the destruction of another humanitarian organization?


Mr. Schmidt, your answer to Ms. North's question depends upon whether or not we give you the time of day, I humbly ask you answer it.
Julianni Avala
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#30 - 2017-02-18 23:36:05 UTC
It would be appreciated if I-RED was kept out of this accusation Mister Schmidt, as we are not aligned with the Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group, and were not in any way a part of their original war declaration. Their decision to go to war so was their own.

We will not speak on behalf of Akagi's decision for their actions, as they are employed by us through a contract and they have their own decisions that they make.

I-RED has it's own reasons for the war that have been communicated to the effected party itself and no outside parties, as it should be.

Chief Financial Officer, Head Diplomat

I-RED GalNet Site

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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#31 - 2017-02-18 23:40:46 UTC
Julianni Avala wrote:
It would be appreciated if I-RED was kept out of this accusation Mister Schmidt, as we are not aligned with the Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group, and were not in any way a part of their original war declaration. Their decision to go to war so was their own.

We will not speak on behalf of Akagi's decision for their actions, as they are employed by us through a contract and they have their own decisions that they make.

I-RED has it's own reasons for the war that have been communicated to the effected party itself and no outside parties, as it should be.



My apologies in that, then. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors up about the whole sort of thing, and I don't mean to implicate those who'd have their reasons - no matter how petty, honestly - to keep it in-shop. Regardless, though, it doesn't stop me from my judgments, which of I have many.


Hey Look, I'm Threatening wrote:
Mr. Schmidt, your answer to Ms. North's question depends upon whether or not we give you the time of day, I humbly ask you answer it.


I'm glad you could humbly give me the time of day. How kind of you, really.

It's a public thread. That's my answer.

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#32 - 2017-02-18 23:43:43 UTC
I will say, generally speaking, I miss the time when someone could make a post on their own thoughts and feelings without someone asking if it was the official position of the organization they happened to be a part of.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Zanzibar Heroshima
Daeuuas.
#33 - 2017-02-18 23:44:48 UTC
Hey look, I can edit text strings too wrote:


I'm glad you could humbly give me the time of day. How kind of you, really.

It's a public thread. That's my answer.


So you aren't speaking in an official capacity, got it. Please refer to the original statement.
Alex Hinkelmann
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#34 - 2017-02-18 23:49:46 UTC
Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:
My apologies in that, then. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors up about the whole sort of thing, and I don't mean to implicate those who'd have their reasons - no matter how petty, honestly - to keep it in-shop. Regardless, though, it doesn't stop me from my judgments, which of I have many.


You are free to judge others on this public forum, I only ask you make educated judgements rather then assumptions. Ishukone-Raata is content to keep the matter between us and Sanxing as it should be.

This will be our last communique on the matter at this time. Rikaato.

I-RED Executor || Syndicate Stability Initiative II© || I-RED GalNet Site
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#35 - 2017-02-18 23:53:17 UTC
Alex Hinkelmann wrote:
Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:
My apologies in that, then. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors up about the whole sort of thing, and I don't mean to implicate those who'd have their reasons - no matter how petty, honestly - to keep it in-shop. Regardless, though, it doesn't stop me from my judgments, which of I have many.


You are free to judge others on this public forum, I only ask you make educated judgements rather then assumptions. Ishukone-Raata is content to keep the matter between us and Sanxing as it should be.

This will be our last communique on the matter at this time. Rikaato.



Just working off what was presented by the original poster.

Thanks for taking the time to respond in a productive manner, at any rate. It is appreciated, for however much it's worth from a GalNet stranger such as myself.

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#36 - 2017-02-19 00:11:05 UTC
Nice to see an alliance I once found respectable infected by open True Sansha loyalists.

The rest of this thread is a bunch of virtue signalling, or chest beating. Not really any different from any other day on the IGS...

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#37 - 2017-02-19 00:12:07 UTC
You forgot snarking and sniping.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#38 - 2017-02-19 00:17:23 UTC
Well, a refreshing reminder that some bonds last longer than formal employment contracts and a nice treatise on the value of friendship. Shame for people who got cought in the crossfire but it does look like a situation good leadership could have averted and mitigated.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Jev North
Doomheim
#39 - 2017-02-19 01:12:26 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I will say, generally speaking, I miss the time when someone could make a post on their own thoughts and feelings without someone asking if it was the official position of the organization they happened to be a part of.

A great many people are having a great deal of thoughts and feelings over all of this. I'm only trying to sort out which ones I need to pay attention to.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#40 - 2017-02-19 02:00:19 UTC
Alex Hinkelmann wrote:
Ishukone-Raata is content to keep the matter between us and Sanxing as it should be.


I think we are well past that.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."