Player Features and Ideas Discussion

hello guys,

Since I've seen many complaints regarding the dreaded gatecamp I assume its a large problem that CCP will have to face 1 day or another. So I guess I can give my 2 cents on it.

I'll tell you what the idea is and explain a bit further how it could work. so the idea is when a person jumps using the gate, it jumps it in a random spot in the destination solar system instead from jumpgate to jumpgate.

that way you could avoid gatecamp...to a certain extent. This is where the fun really starts to kick in. To balance things out, interdictors and bubbles would be allowed in low sec...even in high sec if ccp want too...for me, i don't care for that part in high sec.

Why allowing bubbles ? Well if gatecamps are one of the first places to start fights in my opinion there should be a way to maintain it. Thats where the bubbles comes in. You still have to be careful when you warp to a gate but in this particular case, you wont get ganked on a gate at least.

consequences is that when you jump from high to low sec, you wont get ganked but when you warp to the gate you still have to be careful and use your brain. From low to null sec the same effect, no gatecamps except if you're dumb when warping to a gate and get stuck in a bubble.

idk, am i crazy or is this doable ?

CCP have had since 2003 to do something about gatecamps, that they haven't should tell you that they don't consider them to be a problem that warrants their interference.

Hey I really like the idea.

But you should considering leave out the part where your idea comes into action.

So basically remove your idea and your idea is a good idea.

Gate camps are a major part og eve the are used to ensure that no one enters system without your permission.
If you change that it hase the potential to brake eve. At some point things need to be predicable at least to some extent.

If the predictability is not given you can't counter it.

If you want the exit to change places at least make it flowing a predictable pattern.

But this won't change anything till the camper are just going to warp to the next location.

And after all you have a random exit already since it is not clear on wich point within a radius of (not sure about the exact number) 2500m/5000m something like that you will drop out from the gate.

You know the story, of the guy who spills his drink and to avoid embarrassment he says "I meant that!" That is what gate camps are.

CCP designed the gate system as a travel mechanism way back when they did not have the resources (servers, compute and coding) to to handle system transitions. It was the easiest way to approach the problem back then. But the aggressive gate camp kills was an unintended consequence, so CCP's response is "hey its part of the game!"

Well, that was then when there were not that many players and it could be tolerated, but now CCP is trying to grow EVE, and I will tell you and them that gate camp is the biggest growth killer that EVE faces. That's my prediction.

Why? I'll just say way back when I was a newbie player, I had the unpleasant experience for the first time ever venture to lowsec for a purchase I made at a station in lowsec and got ganked at a camp. It was unexpected, unprovoked and extremely rude, and I was right there and then ready to quit and say "F- this game."

But I did not I went on.

However, I say, I bet 30% of the players would, have, and will rage quit from a gate camp, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS, because people who pay premium prices for a service expect premium treatment, not get kicked in the teeth even by other players.

You should listen to the OP because chances are he is a new player and CCP right now is very much interested in NPE feedback. He still has a fresh impressionable opinion about the game, that we staunch players have lost over the years.

Thanks OP for bringing this up. As for your suggestion, I'm against the idea of warp bubbles in High and Low sec space.

I cut to the relevant part. It is relevant because this is what people do in EVE. It is what EVE is about and why people play. There is a continual push to make the game a cute loving place with safety zones where nothing bad happens. This is not what EVE is really about. You died, you got over it. Welcome to eve.

Here is the Falcon punch, it has to be told to people because they mistake eve for WOW:

CCP Falcon wrote:

"I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now.

Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that.

Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.

That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.

EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.

Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight :)"

Gate Camps are a fact of Eve as a PvP game. They're not going anywhere unless you drastically change travel mechanics to make it so there are no choke points, at which point you've killed the ability for people to control who enters their space.

That's not needed and would not be healthy for the game. People gate camp to get kills and control access to space and CCP have created tools for avoiding camps at a cost. If someone rage quits Eve *just* because they died to a gate camp I don't think they're going to have a good time here anyway, camps or no camps.

How would you know? Alpha Clone States was just recently introduced. You are basing your assumptions on everything before Alpha States was introduced. You have no idea how gate camps affect the NPE ever since Alpha States was introduced.

Cynos? What about them?
Use them wisely and you won't see the in or existing gate.
Totally fine to avoid bubbles gat camps

Assumption is the mother of all f%#kups.

they did -
They even help gatecampers to lock faster, even unlockable ships (as they align in less then 3 seconds) - but still u gonna be locked down and die :)



If u dont want to let someone enter your system, dont camp the exit gate but the enter gate... SIMPLE;
U see someone on local from the entrance gate? defend the gate, get a bubble on it;

What is an idea to lock in down a burglar inside your home?
Shouldnt u keep him away from your flat than letting him in and then punish?