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Mr Quisno
Doomheim
#1 - 2017-02-15 07:57:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Quisno
I think it's time we added more types of mining drones. Just like we have the option of more types of combat drones. Why not add more types of mining drones. Bring back drone poo to the table under production of T2 and T3 parts. Drone poo will no longer be able to be refined. Yes, you get drone poo from killing NPC's every were at low drop rates.

Let's add both T1 - T2 (Special -> T3 Types).

TECH ONE - BLUE PRINT (MINS)
TECH TWO - BLUE PRINT (MINS) (DRONE POO)
TECH THREE - BLUE PRINT (T2 DRONE LOOT) (MINS) (DRONE POO)

Light

TECH 1 - CLASS


TECH 2 - CLASS


TECH 3 - CLASS

Medium

TECH 1 - CLASS


TECH 2 - CLASS


TECH 3 - CLASS


Heavy

TECH 1 - CLASS


TECH 2 - CLASS


TECH 3 - CLASS
Lugh Crow-Slave
#2 - 2017-02-15 09:39:13 UTC
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you understand if these were added that after all skills and bandwidth of current ships were taken into account it would be balanced so that the current max yield was not exceeded. making these things not only pointless but clutter

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#3 - 2017-02-15 10:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
If a new mining drone would be interesting to add, there would be only one that could make a interesting choice for miners using it :

A sentry mining drone, with a yield inferior to the mining drone we have now. So miners have a choice between good yield but need to sticking to the asteroid they mine or else the yield become bad quickly, or a constant yield from sentry mining drones but lower overall than in the best situation for the moving drone.

Anything else than that seems pretty much rebundant or useless, or could break the balance we have imo.

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Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2017-02-15 13:16:22 UTC
So a medium t3 drone would pull out a yield of around 3867 m³ /min with a base speed of 2.5 km/sec for a roqual.

Seems pretty balanced. I mean the price will be around 120 Billion isk for each or ?

And a big question why t3 drones ?

Why do we need more mining drones ?

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#5 - 2017-02-15 13:47:37 UTC
My math maybe off, but with tech2 medium drones an arbitrator mines as much as a barge...

We just got new mining drones and t2 just got a little buff. If this was gonna happen it would have happened.

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Mr Quisno
Doomheim
#6 - 2017-02-16 16:13:17 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
My math maybe off, but with tech2 medium drones an arbitrator mines as much as a barge...

We just got new mining drones and t2 just got a little buff. If this was gonna happen it would have happened.



Sorry for the confusing. Don't worry mate it's just set of numbers. Only CCP can make these numbers up.
Cade Windstalker
#7 - 2017-02-16 16:28:51 UTC
Mr Quisno wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
My math maybe off, but with tech2 medium drones an arbitrator mines as much as a barge...

We just got new mining drones and t2 just got a little buff. If this was gonna happen it would have happened.



Sorry for the confusing. Don't worry mate it's just set of numbers. Only CCP can make these numbers up.


Okay, so what exactly does this add and why is it needed?

Mining doesn't really need a buff, so it can't be that.

More drone types aren't going to add any more depth to mining, they'd just create a sort of false choice where you bring what you need for what you're going to mine, and that's not terribly interesting, so I don't see that being a good reason.

So why add more drone types to mining? Combat drones do something interesting and create an interesting trade off. What does this add to the game?
Mr Quisno
Doomheim
#8 - 2017-02-16 16:59:00 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Mr Quisno wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
My math maybe off, but with tech2 medium drones an arbitrator mines as much as a barge...

We just got new mining drones and t2 just got a little buff. If this was gonna happen it would have happened.



Sorry for the confusing. Don't worry mate it's just set of numbers. Only CCP can make these numbers up.


Okay, so what exactly does this add and why is it needed?

Mining doesn't really need a buff, so it can't be that.

More drone types aren't going to add any more depth to mining, they'd just create a sort of false choice where you bring what you need for what you're going to mine, and that's not terribly interesting, so I don't see that being a good reason.

So why add more drone types to mining? Combat drones do something interesting and create an interesting trade off. What does this add to the game?



Your right it don't need a buff but it needs more options to the already list of mining drones. With this new push in mining drone ships. Their is a need to add more types to the game play currently. Adding more to the sand is the way of eve. Their is a need of more types as again we are only limted to T1 T2 and BIG 1.7b faction types.
Cade Windstalker
#9 - 2017-02-16 17:07:26 UTC
Mr Quisno wrote:
Your right it don't need a buff but it needs more options to the already list of mining drones. With this new push in mining drone ships. Their is a need to add more types to the game play currently. Adding more to the sand is the way of eve. Their is a need of more types as again we are only limted to T1 T2 and BIG 1.7b faction types.


You seem to have missed my point a bit. "We need more mining drone options" is the thing I'm asking you to provide an argument to justify. Here you've basically taken it as given that we need more variety here and completely skipped the "Why" in "Why do we need more mining drone types?"

Variety for its own sake is not needed or interesting. It's like asking CCP to take all the stats on a Maelstrom and create a new hull with *almost exactly* the same stats, exactly the same bonuses, but make it an entirely new model, because more variety. That would be entirely pointless and a waste of dev and art time. People would either pick the ship that was objectively better or not care and use the one they like the look of better. It's not creating an interesting choice, it's just adding more for the sake of adding more and that's not a good use of dev time.

So, *why* does Eve need more types of mining drones? Especially if we're in agreement that mining doesn't need a buff to yield.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#10 - 2017-02-16 22:00:10 UTC
The mechanic of mining is boring.

1. Target rock.
2. Activate miners, and assign drones.
3. Wait idly.

Adding more drones doesn't make mining more interesting, or add variety.

Propose a change to the way people mine, not the tools people use to mine.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#11 - 2017-02-17 14:47:43 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
The mechanic of mining is boring.

1. Target rock.
2. Activate miners, and assign drones.
3. Wait idly.

Adding more drones doesn't make mining more interesting, or add variety.

Propose a change to the way people mine, not the tools people use to mine.



Boring to you enjoyable to others

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Mr Quisno
Doomheim
#12 - 2017-02-17 19:44:31 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Mr Quisno wrote:
Your right it don't need a buff but it needs more options to the already list of mining drones. With this new push in mining drone ships. Their is a need to add more types to the game play currently. Adding more to the sand is the way of eve. Their is a need of more types as again we are only limted to T1 T2 and BIG 1.7b faction types.


You seem to have missed my point a bit. "We need more mining drone options" is the thing I'm asking you to provide an argument to justify. Here you've basically taken it as given that we need more variety here and completely skipped the "Why" in "Why do we need more mining drone types?"

Variety for its own sake is not needed or interesting. It's like asking CCP to take all the stats on a Maelstrom and create a new hull with *almost exactly* the same stats, exactly the same bonuses, but make it an entirely new model, because more variety. That would be entirely pointless and a waste of dev and art time. People would either pick the ship that was objectively better or not care and use the one they like the look of better. It's not creating an interesting choice, it's just adding more for the sake of adding more and that's not a good use of dev time.

So, *why* does Eve need more types of mining drones? Especially if we're in agreement that mining doesn't need a buff to yield.



You must not mine. But it's the bared cost and variety do to the fact we now use drones to mine with.
Cade Windstalker
#13 - 2017-02-17 19:48:23 UTC
Mr Quisno wrote:
You must not mine. But it's the bared cost and variety do to the fact we now use drones to mine with.


Can you rephrase this somewhat? That second sentence makes literally no sense, "bared cost and variety" specifically is not a concept.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#14 - 2017-02-18 03:24:58 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Rawketsled wrote:
The mechanic of mining is boring.

1. Target rock.
2. Activate miners, and assign drones.
3. Wait idly.

Adding more drones doesn't make mining more interesting, or add variety.

Propose a change to the way people mine, not the tools people use to mine.



Boring to you enjoyable to others

A few years ago said they were guilty of wanting to play Eve while hungover from the previous night's activities, but weren't up to the rigors of PVP or whatever and chose to mine for a few quiet hours.

I've subsequently been guilty of this too. So I understand the appeal of the current mining mechanic.

That said, I still think the current mining system is about as hands-off as PI or reactions. Something as fundamental as the supply of material that's found in all non-T3 objects in game shouldn't be so passive.