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Easy to Detect Alphas?

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1 - 2017-02-16 11:37:08 UTC
Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#2 - 2017-02-16 11:53:41 UTC
We are strikingly handsome.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#3 - 2017-02-16 11:54:52 UTC
pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#4 - 2017-02-16 11:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Hir Miriel wrote:
We are strikingly handsome.

That's almost helpful...

Lan Wang wrote:
pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate

Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#5 - 2017-02-16 11:59:59 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hir Miriel wrote:
We are strikingly handsome.

That's almost helpful...

Lan Wang wrote:
pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate

Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out.


i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#6 - 2017-02-16 12:55:19 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hir Miriel wrote:
We are strikingly handsome.

That's almost helpful...

Lan Wang wrote:
pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate

Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out.


i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars

I never hand out ISK to EVE beggars.

However, whenever I genuinely end up helping a new player (for whatever reason) the player may well find him/herself with a nice surprise deposit in his or her wallet along the way. Blink

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Sneaky bastard.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#7 - 2017-02-16 13:12:24 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hir Miriel wrote:
We are strikingly handsome.

That's almost helpful...

Lan Wang wrote:
pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate

Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out.


i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars

I never hand out ISK to EVE beggars.

However, whenever I genuinely end up helping a new player (for whatever reason) the player may well find him/herself with a nice surprise deposit in his or her wallet along the way. Blink


yeah thats what i mean

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2017-02-16 13:18:00 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?

Hopefully there isn't any way to easily determine the difference between Alpha and Omega Clones. If there is, it could probably be used as an exploit to easily boost Killmails.


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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2017-02-16 14:13:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?

I hope not, I'm going Alpha in a couple of days thanks to a gearbox made of belly button fluff sucking my wallet dry.

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Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2017-02-16 18:12:09 UTC
You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas

You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose. Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
Yarosara Ruil
#11 - 2017-02-16 18:29:29 UTC
It's 2017. Are you using employment history to get a ballpark of how much SP a character has too?

Just saying, Alphas have limited skills, but it's the player that makes a character deadly.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2017-02-16 18:33:00 UTC
Joey Bags wrote:
You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas


So shoot first and get answer later?

Big smile
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#13 - 2017-02-16 23:20:30 UTC
I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2017-02-16 23:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
I'm a 2008 character who can fly command ships but am instead flying around in a Gnosis. What does that tell you?
Is identifying Alpha players even necessary?

Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.


Alpha does not equal new player, some older players like me who are alpha don't really need help. But I do support your idea of helping new bros. I have gone to starter systems and given away bpcs for frigs and cruisers to new players. Hanging out around the lvl 1 epic arc system is a good way to spot some people who ask for help and usually really need it.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#15 - 2017-02-17 00:38:06 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
I'm a 2008 character who can fly command ships but am instead flying around in a Gnosis. What does that tell you? Is identifying Alpha players even necessary?

Alpha does not equal new player, some older players like me who are alpha don't really need help. But I do support your idea of helping new bros. I have gone to starter systems and given away bpcs for frigs and cruisers to new players. Hanging out around the lvl 1 epic arc system is a good way to spot some people who ask for help and usually really need it.


That you're cheap? Big smile
Well, new Alpha and Omega bros then. I know there's probably the potential for abuse, but it would be nice when I'm just sitting around waiting to be able to actually help some of these players out. Yes, there are the various channels but these have been dead anytime I've checked on them and it doesn't really work if they're halfway across the map.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
mkint
#16 - 2017-02-17 02:04:07 UTC
Not being able to tell is part of the intended design. They don't want a caste system to develop around clone states. And getting intended design to be changed is far trickier than "wouldn't it be nice" changes.

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Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2017-02-17 02:13:45 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.


It would also make it much easier to target them as easy kills, which could have a negative effect on player retention (yes I know that players who engage in pvp, consensual or otherwise are more likely to stick around.) but there are many players who would actively target them if there was an easy way to identify them. which would probably have the opposite effect.

While I appreciate your desire to help, just because someone is omega does not mean they are a veteran, and not all alphas are newbros. being able to identify them easily would not actually make helping new players any easier, and would simply open up alphas to the possibility of additional harassment.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2017-02-17 04:16:36 UTC
Joey Bags wrote:
You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas

I don't think that's accurate.

Not that I regularly check but I don't remember any Dev Blog stating that a Killmail will not be generated for destroying Alpha Clones.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2017-02-17 06:11:20 UTC
What I fail to understand is why one might care whether or not a player is an alpha or an omega.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2017-02-17 06:43:43 UTC
Easy way to detect alphas: ask.

I dunno who thought of the idea of us not generating killmails.. But I like it. I'll totally spread it. We don't. We don't drop loot either. And Bob sneezes on those who kill alphas, making their cap drain faster.

Or worse.

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