EVE General Discussion

And one can also make the same argument that EVE is a PvE sandbox with PvP elements considering that most income is derived from PvE or, more specifically - PvR (player versus rock). I know, I know... heresy.

The translation from Fazmarai speak to English:

Give me what I want CCP (while I pretend I speak for everyone else when in reality next to no one else agree with me) or you will go bankrupt and loses all your real life money.


People have been saying a version of this (I call it the "appeal to CCP's wallet") approach since 2003, and it's never been true. Enopugh people have continuted to play the game to keep it a profitable venture for CCP despite this doomsaying by people who think they want CCP to change the game to suit them.

And I said 'think' because they are lying to themselves, they wouldn't have kept playing for all these years (especially after several public rage quits like what the above quoted poster is known for).

If CCP did up and change the game and offer "better pve" (whatever the hell that is) and "walking in stations" and "more solo content" these complainers would either complain about it not being enough/badly implemented or would just leave the game altoughter to find some other game they don't like so they can pester it's DEVs to make that game better...

if you don't like EvE, why are you still here?

go away please!

Yeah, I know... Tomatoe - tomatoh.

Using a generalisation like that makes you look dumb. Several hundred multiplayer online first person shooters would like a word with you, they contain zero PvE and are a hugely successful segment of the gaming market.

Name one feature of Eve that is pay to win, and explain how it is pay to win. I, along with many others, will then proceed to provide examples of people who also thought that various features were pay to win and had it bite them in the ass, in order to explain to you how it isn't.

Character skills != player skills.

There's always been other multiplayer spaceship games out there, many of them touted to be Eve killers. The latest in those games is Elite Dangerous which, while fun and a halfway decent homage to the original Elite, is not even in the same genre as Eve.

Star Citizen isn't a game, it's a tech demo for vaporware and quite possibly an epic scam that wouldn't be out of place in Eve.

It's little different from WoW's play to level 20 for free, pay if you want to level up further.

For me it's the polar opposite. I've done so much of these mundane activities the last 5 years, I can't bring myself to do these chores anymore.



I would not mind having to do something fun in order to do something fun as my gameplay loop. The idea of having to slog through boring PVE content for enough space coins to do something enjoyable doesn't strike me as smart design at all. I would like to PVP more, but thinking about the steps involved to replace whatever I'm about to lose makes me not want to lose it. It makes me do some more PVE, I then decide that it takes waaaaay too long to reach my intended goal, and fire up the Xbox for some instant gratification.

I get that this game isn't about instant gratification. Just saying that in the end, it motivates me to seek instant gratification elsewhere instead of hatching colvulted plans to make ISK or grinding away at some threadmill. My eve carreer is ending not with a bang, but with a sigh. I guess it's inevitable but less boring PVE = more longlevity. Even if that longlevity isn't forever.

I don't always agree with you but that still does not mean I want you to die so don't hold your breath for that release.

More on topic, EVE's PVE will not be made "better" by changing the PVE itself but by changing how we do it. A lot of people would probably enjoy their "required" PVE time if they could do it with friends. It works for mining as is seen by people mining in fleets. I don't see any reason why it should be stupid like it is to rat in gang/fleet. Yes you can currently "cyno-tank" your ship if it has at least a bit of buffer for people to jump to save you but would't it be better to complete sites in a gang and possibly have small battles if someone invade?

Yes I am extremely aware this might absolutely NOT actually turn into small fights if invaded. Pointing this potential flaw is not required. I already know it is actually a good possibility knowing how people play EVE.



Is it bad if I somehow always read that ISD name as chainsaw memes?

Omega is a paid subscription, Alpha is an unlimited length trial with restrictions to ensure it isn't abused.

Many of the core combat and defence skills are trainable to at least level 4 when using an alpha clone. Try doing some research before making silly claims.

That fight would be more about the players skills than the character skills. Someone with an Alpha with shite character skills, but a good personal knowledge of how to get the most out of his ship despite that, stands a pretty good chance of kicking the ass of an Omega in the same ship with better character skills but little idea on how to use their ship.

Paywall !=P2W. An alpha clone is a free sample, if you want the whole product you go omega.

Skills which you probably have no idea how to leverage properly, go up against somebody with the exact same skills but who does know how to leverage them properly and there's a extremely good chance that you will lose. Hardly pay to win.

It's the same with PLEX, it can provide a shortcut to "better" things, but it rarely works out that way for someone who has no idea how to use those "better" things.

As I pointed out to you earlier, character skills are not the same as player skills, the former let you sit in the ship, the latter is what make you good at using it effectively.

So, I take it you won't be going anywhere for a while...

'EVE is a PvP' game is a really, really easy and lazy excuse to not do anything about the pathetically boring, actually productive part of the game. The stuff that's being destroyed has to be mined and built somehow.... Why not make that part fun?

It *only* has positive effects. More people engage in PvE, which means cheaper products, which means more PvP, and since more people PvE it also means more targets for PvP people to chase down. It's a win-win.



If a part of a videogame isn't fun it shouldn't be in the videogame, EVE included.

If it should be there, it should be made fun. There is absolutely no reason to make anything you do in your spare time feel like work where the fun has been deliberately removed.



There's a part of the game which is objectively mostly *not fun* to participate in.

Why is it a part of the game at all? Just remove it if you don't plan on making it fun.

If you don't remove it, why not make it fun? The actual result remains the same. If more people were to join EVE and participate in those activities (well, because they're fun), isn't the natural result that market prices will go down (if ever so slightly) and thus the PvP opportunities will increase, since there's also more people doing PvE you can chase down?

How is this not a win-win?

Sure, there's piorities to be set, but there's a lot you can do to make the PvE more interesting without it affecting PvP development time. Game development, or software development in general, is not a black and white planning sheet - In fact, you may find that making certain PvE parts more fun are also parts which are directly or indirectly used or usable in PvP.