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Just Wondering CCP if you look outside jita 4-4 often
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ApexDynamo
Neurosurgical Reconstruction Centre
#1 - 2017-02-15 12:47:09 UTC
Just wondering if ccp is gonna ever remove all those mobile depots sitting in a giant circle around jita 4-4 or the BJK lettering in mobile depots.

Jita is laggy enough without those mobile depots,
Wolfgang Jannesen
Scrapyard Artificer's
#2 - 2017-02-15 14:50:21 UTC
In a way I don't think CCP has a right to scrap that when it doesn't interfere with gameplay rules and players put the effort and isk in to achieve it.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#3 - 2017-02-15 14:56:04 UTC
space graffiti

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-02-15 14:56:54 UTC
If its causing lag issues you actually can petition a GM about it. They'll come remove it.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2017-02-15 16:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
I've tried shooting them. The owners literally replace them as soon as they're destroyed...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-02-15 17:12:53 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
In a way I don't think CCP has a right to scrap that when it doesn't interfere with gameplay rules and players put the effort and isk in to achieve it.


CCP has the right to anything in the game. Deleting Jita 4-4 and all it's content would be a bad move but not against any rules for them.
Cade Windstalker
#7 - 2017-02-15 17:16:06 UTC
CCP commented on this months back, mobile depots are a tiny performance hit on the Jita node. If they're causing your local computer lag then I recommend turning them off in the overview and your brackets profile which should help significantly.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-02-15 17:23:22 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
CCP commented on this months back, mobile depots are a tiny performance hit on the Jita node. If they're causing your local computer lag then I recommend turning them off in the overview and your brackets profile which should help significantly.


Why aren't people being told the same thing if someone decide to put 100+ cans on a gate? Are cans that much more intensive on the systems than mobile depot?
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-02-15 17:28:08 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
CCP commented on this months back, mobile depots are a tiny performance hit on the Jita node. If they're causing your local computer lag then I recommend turning them off in the overview and your brackets profile which should help significantly.


Why aren't people being told the same thing if someone decide to put 100+ cans on a gate? Are cans that much more intensive on the systems than mobile depot?


What about dumping a cloud of shuttles out of an orca lol. Although I think they changed the orca and you can no longer launch packaged ships from cargo and fleet hanger, only ships from the ship hanger. =(
Cade Windstalker
#10 - 2017-02-15 17:39:26 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
CCP commented on this months back, mobile depots are a tiny performance hit on the Jita node. If they're causing your local computer lag then I recommend turning them off in the overview and your brackets profile which should help significantly.


Why aren't people being told the same thing if someone decide to put 100+ cans on a gate? Are cans that much more intensive on the systems than mobile depot?


What about dumping a cloud of shuttles out of an orca lol. Although I think they changed the orca and you can no longer launch packaged ships from cargo and fleet hanger, only ships from the ship hanger. =(


Dumping a ton of ships into space happens suddenly and creates a large performance hit on both the server and the client since it's creating new objects in space. This both creates a lot of load on the node, which can crash it, and creates a ton of load on everyone's local clients which can crash them.

Also someone dumping a ton of stuff, either all at once or piecemeal, is pretty clearly a malicious exploit where as the Jita 4-4 undock isn't the fault of any one player.

Lastly a person can't be reasonably expect to warp around Null with everything that might be used in a decloak trap hidden on their overview just because some idiot can't be bothered to space their cans properly on the gate and creates a lag bomb through sheer incompetence.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#11 - 2017-02-15 17:41:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
cans dont cause lag its all just a make up thing because people are angry

Edit: ccp's shiny new servers they boast about cant handle 100+ cans and 25 people in local but can easily handle 1000 people in a system fighting each other

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Cade Windstalker
#12 - 2017-02-15 19:56:49 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
cans dont cause lag its all just a make up thing because people are angry

Edit: ccp's shiny new servers they boast about cant handle 100+ cans and 25 people in local but can easily handle 1000 people in a system fighting each other


Lag from cans on a gate isn't on CCP's side it's on the player's client.

Unless you're talking about a can-bomb, which is something entirely different (and generally involves far more than 100 cans...) and also a bannable offense.
Ayx Shewma
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2017-02-15 20:04:32 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
In a way I don't think CCP has a right to scrap that when it doesn't interfere with gameplay rules and players put the effort and isk in to achieve it.


.............Deleting Jita 4-4 and all it's content would be a bad move........


Now, let's not be too hasty.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2017-02-16 02:26:48 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
CCP commented on this months back, mobile depots are a tiny performance hit on the Jita node. If they're causing your local computer lag then I recommend turning them off in the overview and your brackets profile which should help significantly.


Why aren't people being told the same thing if someone decide to put 100+ cans on a gate? Are cans that much more intensive on the systems than mobile depot?


What about dumping a cloud of shuttles out of an orca lol. Although I think they changed the orca and you can no longer launch packaged ships from cargo and fleet hanger, only ships from the ship hanger. =(


Dumping a ton of ships into space happens suddenly and creates a large performance hit on both the server and the client since it's creating new objects in space. This both creates a lot of load on the node, which can crash it, and creates a ton of load on everyone's local clients which can crash them.

Also someone dumping a ton of stuff, either all at once or piecemeal, is pretty clearly a malicious exploit where as the Jita 4-4 undock isn't the fault of any one player.

Lastly a person can't be reasonably expect to warp around Null with everything that might be used in a decloak trap hidden on their overview just because some idiot can't be bothered to space their cans properly on the gate and creates a lag bomb through sheer incompetence.


Question was rhetorical, I knew all this. But you did a very good job explaining it for those who might not have known. Dumping ships in the manner I mentioned is not liked by ccp at all and would result in disciplinary action.
Cade Windstalker
#15 - 2017-02-16 03:52:53 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Question was rhetorical, I knew all this. But you did a very good job explaining it for those who might not have known. Dumping ships in the manner I mentioned is not liked by ccp at all and would result in disciplinary action.


Thank you! :)

Generally speaking I try to explain things for everyone if I think the question is worth answering.

In this particular case I really tried to be thorough because CCP takes a very dim view of people who crash server nodes for giggles. I know one of the first guys to ever come up with this little trick and he *barely* got off without a ban. These days if you try it you won't be playing Eve for a while.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#16 - 2017-02-16 03:56:48 UTC
Remove the suspect status on these things (limited engagement only) and the problem will take care of itself...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
ApexDynamo
Neurosurgical Reconstruction Centre
#17 - 2017-02-17 20:41:41 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
In a way I don't think CCP has a right to scrap that when it doesn't interfere with gameplay rules and

players put the effort and isk in to achieve it.


thats like you saying its not an attempt to lag out the system like when project mayhem lost a keepstar and tauAD ejected 200 shuttles in a pos. it lags up the system makeing it much harder to actually enjoy the game, but if you say so.
Cade Windstalker
#18 - 2017-02-17 20:50:31 UTC
ApexDynamo wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
In a way I don't think CCP has a right to scrap that when it doesn't interfere with gameplay rules and

players put the effort and isk in to achieve it.


thats like you saying its not an attempt to lag out the system like when project mayhem lost a keepstar and tauAD ejected 200 shuttles in a pos. it lags up the system makeing it much harder to actually enjoy the game, but if you say so.


If someone does this take screenshots if you can and report it. Something like that shows up clearly on CCP's logs and is a bannable offense.
Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#19 - 2017-02-17 21:05:15 UTC
Been a while since Ive seen a mobile depot swastika, it means peace and hugs or something.

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#20 - 2017-02-17 21:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
Been a while since Ive seen a mobile depot swastika, it means peace and hugs or something.

Oh, is that the shape it's devolved into?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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