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CCP Has No Idea What They're Doing: Useless Ships in Eve

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#21 - 2012-01-21 09:38:20 UTC
You on drugs or what ?
Not an expert but i think few ships don't fit this list.

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Ultim8Evil
Exit-Strategy
Unchained Alliance
#22 - 2012-01-21 09:56:21 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
non judgement wrote:
Moros? Wouldn't it be one of the highest used dreads now?


All dreads are still terrible coffinboxes for fighting people with.


Poasting to confirm dreads are indeed for shooting people, not structures.

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Valei Khurelem
#23 - 2012-01-21 09:57:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
I was about to completely agree with you then I realised you were ranting about only super caps, the problem is with the whole game and how combat is designed. There are players especially in CSM who are equally guilty of making the same mistakes as CCP and it's simply because they either refuse to understand or generally don't understand how RPG games are made.

Either that, or they do understand and want the odds tipped in their favour so they make convincing arguments to CCP so they can have the advantage against everyone else which is more likely from what I've seen of how they act.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-01-21 09:57:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cathy Drall
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
You on drugs or what ?
Not an expert but i think few ships don't fit this list.

That may be, but a lot - I'd even say the majority - of EVE ships (and you can say the same for a lot of modules and LP rewards) are redundant or have very limited use.

Not sure why it's still so hard to balance ships and stuff a little (and why do we still have tiers in the first place) after 8 years but imho CCP isn't doing a particulary great job. Are they even trying at all?
VC General
No Baals Inc
#25 - 2012-01-21 10:09:58 UTC
The Ferox is a fine ship, especially after the hybrid changes. It's now a viable blaster platform, and has always been a good sniping BC. Its ability to passive tank is almost as good as the Drake, which will soon be getting the nerf stick.
Shin Rhea
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-01-21 12:20:01 UTC
I thought about posting ideas and opinions on this thread. Then i checked the OP's last posts and found out, that he just likes to flame...
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-01-21 13:39:56 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Can you name me a single ship that is used in fleets that relies only on its own active rep for survival besides dreadnoughts? I didn't think so.


Triage carrier. And THAT is VERY common.

Dodixie > Hek

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#28 - 2012-01-21 14:31:02 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:


Augoror
Maller
Omen
Moa
Osprey
Celestis
Exequror
Scythe
Raven
Rokh
Hyperion
Typhoon
Sentinel
Kitsune
Keres
Hyena
Revelation
Phoenix
Moros
Naglfar
Prophecy
Ferox
Cyclone



Fixed your list for you.
Bane Loppknow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-01-21 14:32:38 UTC
I've flown successful Sentinel and Arbitrators in small gang pvp. It was quite fun, actually.

I've also successfully flown Prophecies, though more because I really really like the hull. It's pretty under-achieving, though.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-01-21 15:19:31 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
the osprey is still a well used ship for pos repping in empire/low sec/null sec.


"Pospreys" as they are fondly named are cheap as chips to fly, low skill requirements mean even noobs can fly them fairly quickly.

depending on how much u wanna spend but for less than 5mil u can fit a 2 large rep cap stable fit posprey

highs 2x meta 4 large shield xfers

mids and lows cap rechargers and relays


for about 20mil u can put 3x cap rigs on drop two cap relays and fit a powergrid & cpu upgrade and squeeze a 3rd large shield xfer on and still be cap stable though this does require a bit more skills and some 3% or better shield implants.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-01-21 15:47:45 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Augoror
Maller
Omen
Moa
Osprey
Celestis
Exequror
Scythe
Raven
Rokh (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed)
Hyperion
Typhoon
Sentinel
Kitsune
Keres
Hyena
Revelation
Phoenix
Moros
Naglfar
Prophecy
Ferox
Cyclone

Hmm, don't see the Hulk up there.

Pretty useless ship, worst reason to fly a Hulk is for minerals since rogue drones and mission's drop modules for refining while the best reason to fly a Hulk is to pretend to be a goat tied down to asteroid fields and then just die to a gank (aka, KM padding. Hulk just dies so easily, why else do you think its targeted so much? killmail padding and ego stroking, of course). Plus mining is the worst career choice, better off getting rid of asteroids so we don't need those Hulks, CCP doesn't need a reason to revamp mining at all since asteroids are gone, NPC seed can provide everything we need to buy minerals and a sudden isk sink is created (with minerals at over inflated prices of course)

Back on topic then, since the Hulk would then be gone thats one less ship for CCP to look at and they could then concentrate on the rest of them that need to be buffed.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-01-21 16:22:06 UTC
Raven and Typhoon are good mission boats, especially the Raven. Maller makes for a wicked piece of bait, tank it six ways to sunday. I had a buddy that had so much tank on his it took 12km to turn, lol! Osprey is a great almost entry level mining platform, and the Rokh make for a decent in a pinch mining platform as well.

These are about the only ones I can really speak on, but it's not necessarily the fault of CCP, per se. Alot of that lies with the players as well. The propensity to stick with what works, coupled with loss aversion, has fostered a mentality of using only certain ships. No one really gets out there and tries no things. But I'd also wager that if we, as a community, did not have as many choices as we do, we'd be all up in arms about it. The ships are there for anyone to use at any time, it's up to you to make something happen with them. Think outside the box.
"If."
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#33 - 2012-01-21 16:32:38 UTC
Ravens are used a lot for (high damage) suicide ganking, maybe the reason you listed them there is wrong. Also, the predominance of Drakes, their tank and low cost made them overshadow every other caldari ship except Tengu.

Phoons are high SP, specialty ships but they do find applications in diverse activities.

Cyclones are low cost BCs that with proper implants & boosters can reserve some surprise (they could use some tweaking though).

Osprey = cost effective shield repairer, gas harvester, most effective entry level mining cruiser.
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-01-21 16:55:52 UTC
Maller - Can fit a BS-level buffer on a cruiser hull, one of the best bait ships around.
Omen - I've seen youtube vids who make RR gangs out of these for lols and it actually works. Surprised it's not used more often.
Osprey/Exequror - I've seen these used as logis in FW plexes where you can't bring T2 cruisers.
Celestis - It can fit a 1600 plate and has 5 mids. It's unbeatable for cheap gate tackle in lowsec (with 3 sebos) or for baiting drams (with 3 webs)
Scythe - I always though this ship's primary use was as a mining platform for noobs.
Raven - Torp ravens can be good, they just get primaried a lot so nobody wants to fly them.
Hyperion - You can shield tank it better than a Megathron, makes a decent POS shooter too with it's rep bonus.
Cyclone - All the tier 1 BCs are lacking, but I'd argue that the Cyclone is the best of the bunch. It looks like a giant Thrasher and flies like a cheap Hurricane, the fact that nobody respects it makes it a good bait ship.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#35 - 2012-01-21 17:15:03 UTC
I fly ships I like flying and I don't much care about the rest.

Works for me. But then, I'm not some anal basement dweller who needs to feed my ego by telling everyone else what's wrong with their ships.

You go girl!

Mr Epeen Cool
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-01-21 18:54:27 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:

Augoror T1 cap X-fer great for laser boats and the Rokh
Maller Cheap brick tackle for armor fleets
Omen
Moa
Osprey great for POS reparing
Celestis Going to get looked at when CCP does a balancing pass for ECM
Exequror Great for POS module repping
Scythe
Raven PvE ship, not PvP
Rokh (starting to see a bit more use now that rails were buffed) You said it.
Hyperion
Typhoon
Sentinel Getting looked at for next patch
Kitsune Getting looked at for next patch
Keres Getting looked at for next patch
Hyena Getting looked at for next patch
Revelation
Phoenix All great for structure grinding if you don't care that you will be hotdroped by 100 titans
Moros
Naglfar
Prophecy A brick tackle that can actually fit guns
Ferox The Ferox effect strikes again
Cyclone A good ship, overshadowed by its big brother the Hurricaine



I count 5 ships that need a good going over.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 

Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#37 - 2012-01-21 18:56:09 UTC
Dreads are used everywhere in wormhole space from ratting to invasions. You can easily see 10 dreads running a single anom in wspace. So they aren't entirely useless.
seany1212
M Y S T
#38 - 2012-01-21 19:27:23 UTC
OP can see all those ships in use when he clicks undock... Roll

Most of those ships if not all of them have there uses by somebody, just because the OP does not use or see them does not mean they need a "fix", i've seen moa's and omens used for gas harvesting and pvp, dreads more time than I care to count, i've seen killmails with pvp EAS's and the fact you put the cyclone up there shows you have no idea what your talking about. Garmon even made a video using one and in my opinion they're on of the most underrated pvp ships you can use Cool
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2012-01-21 19:28:38 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:

Hyperion
Typhoon



GET OUT.
Thomas Abernathy
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2012-01-21 19:33:38 UTC
Supers do everything a Dread can do?
Time Dilation caught up with you?
I'm training my Nyx pilot to be a Moros pilot, cause the Nyx does everything better...including die. Oops


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