Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Then that's just a broken buff to mining ships that doesn't need to happen, at all. It removes fitting choice and buffs miners when there's no indication they're in need of the buff.



T3s are terrible for the game because they invalidate so many ship classes. They're a cruiser class ship with Battleship level fittings and tank, and they can be about 70% as good as any specialty ship, often a couple at the same time, all without losing much of that tank.

The problem is, in fact, that they're better than most of the dedicated ships that might compete with them.

Also if you're even half decent at the game and spend any amount of time fighting T3s you can make a pretty good guess at what someone has fitted by just looked at the model and the guns.

CCP has flat out said T3s are getting a rework, everyone who pays attention to the CSM and Eve's development knows T3Cs are in for a major rework to make them not amazingly broken. If you didn't know this hi, T3Cs are going to be reworked at some point.

9 pages about that and noone talked about mobile depot ?

You can have everything with them you know ? your armor tank, full yield fit, ecm , shield tank, drone modules, and all at once.

Mining barges dont have a big cargohold just for mining crystals you know ?

Sure, let's go with that. I made a simple suggestion/request. In 9 pages, we are surely in danger of beating a horse, if not yet dead, is surely in imminent danger of expiring? This place is a toxic mill that produces both hate and pride fulfillment, in equal quantities. You go on here, post one thing, and if you were irritated when you did, by the time you've read the 'helpful' replies, your angst will be much increased, but boy won't someone else be proud of their clever, witty, hate-filled retort? They showed you! Yeah.

Well, I'm done with this place for the time being. If you all wanna whack this thing a few more times to make sure you really killed it, go ahead, but I'm not going to subject myself to being annoyed and displeased, when I don't HAVE to, and you know what, I really don't have to, because it's not feeding ME any pride to participate in the rampant escalation. Haters gonna hate, yup yup.

Thanks for the cookies, and seeyas around.

So, after reading all your replies, I must say - you are just about the coolest most centered person I have ever met. I would love to play eve with you. I'm extending an invitation to join my corp. We could use a guy like you. Feel free to drop an application. Send me a mail directly also so I can streamline your application progress.

Fly safe!

ROFL. People still shield tank Ishtars all the time - it leaves the lows open for DDA's, which make the ship a lot more effective than it would be with an armor tank.

I don't get why this is such a big deal.It's not like this is new. Barges and exhumers have always been shield tanked, by and large.

Also, the reason that the ships use Gallente Engineering is because ORE was originally a Gallentean corporation. Learn your lore.

Really. Would you like to know why people armor tank blackbirds and falcons? Or did you never worry about that because those dirty Caldari ships are all shield tanked. Hell, we even used to armor tank scorpions back in the day.

Your statement is only true in a general sort of way about the general combat ships. The more specialized roles tend to be better filled by one or the other, depending on what they are specialized to do, and where the upgrade modules for that role go.

Also makes kiting a hell of a lot easier without all that plate holding you down.

oh boy, OP is an angry person...

I'm honestly not sure given the player in question's corp and recent posting history, so I decided to just take their words at face value. More fun that way

I read every single one of them, even the ones that were deleted. My mistakes are two-fold, first in thinking that the anger could be burned out, like it is when I let someone do it in real life. There is no venting and being burned out, on the internet, since they can take a few hours or days between responses, and you are dealing with too many people; but you're talking to someone that has never owned a cell phone, or social media account, and doesn't intend to ever start. I was applying interpersonal time-frame to what is, inherently, what I said it was, a non-stop pulp-mill of toxic hate and pride fulfillment, for at least a segment of the participants.

Secondarily, in assuming that miners even want to tank. I had assumed that there would be some backup, some offended miners saying that they wanted such. There was, one. Out of all those posts. One guy, two at the outside, that said, yeah, I sacrifice some yield for some tank. It appears that most miners don't tank at all, even most skiffs are fitted with yield mods in the hope that 'it will be enough.' So, yes, that being the case, my idea is going to lack community support, since my so-called 'peers,' by and large, don't care about tanking. They're not, in all honesty, my peers, though. While I have invested a significant amount of time to fly this skiff, I do it with gritted teeth watching that shield module animation play, and I don't just do mining or relegate my mining to an alt. This one character is all I play. It's not very old, as you experienced players count time, and I have to learn a lot of stuff through trial and error, and losing stuff from bad fittings or poor decisions. That's part of the process, and there is no way to convince me that you all did not have a signficant period of time when, even if you are elite now, at one time you were not so wonderful. This is a complex game, to say the least, and I'm diversified into doing several things simultaneously, and yes, sometimes I get bad advice. When do I know it's bad? When it blows up.

The bottom line, though, is that a lot of the posts were just made because people were able to hit someone with some little nugget of expertise I don't have, or just for the hell of it. I think you'll notice that when people were not terribly rude to me, I was not, to them, either. Some of the other threads do look interesting, however, so I'll just resign myself to having to relearn certain aspects of my normal behavior, foremost of which is to remember to be nice, not for you, but for my own mental balance, even when dozens of you are insulting me. I let myself respond in kind to many of your insults, much faster than I would have in real life, since I was being hit a lot more than I am in real life - I've usually only had an argument 1 on 1, and this is a new experience. For the most part, I don't do online social media.

So, for those of you that were actually discussing, I think I said thank-you, and was civil. If I missed anyone, then I beg your forgiveness, it was an oversight. For those that just attacked because they had time to insert a one-liner, well, haters gonna hate, yup yup. I need to learn to ignore you, which will probably get easier pretty fast.