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What Could Reasonably Threaten a Tanked Rorqual in a C1 or C2?
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Aerilyn Neiliff
Neiliff Shipyards
#1 - 2017-02-09 18:18:21 UTC
A buddy of mine shared with me his corp is underway building a pair of Rorquals in a C2 WH.

It got me thinking... what could reasonably threaten a Rorqual in that environment? I think the biggest ship that can get in a C2 is a cruiser, correct?

What type of T3 firepower would it take to fight past the shield reps of a properly fitted Rorq? And would they be able to withstand the offensive capabilities of sentry drones (I believe Rorqs can carry Sentries..) ?

Curious on your thoughts.
Tomoko Sunji
White Square.
#2 - 2017-02-09 18:24:39 UTC
Aerilyn Neiliff wrote:
A buddy of mine shared with me his corp is underway building a pair of Rorquals in a C2 WH.

It got me thinking... what could reasonably threaten a Rorqual in that environment? I think the biggest ship that can get in a C2 is a cruiser, correct?

What type of T3 firepower would it take to fight past the shield reps of a properly fitted Rorq? And would they be able to withstand the offensive capabilities of sentry drones (I believe Rorqs can carry Sentries..) ?

Curious on your thoughts.



Dedicated neuting ships, a small fleet and a lot of time.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#3 - 2017-02-09 18:36:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
One on one probably not much. But wormhole gangs always travel in...gangs. And they hunt in C2s as much as any other class. Rorquals die in wormholes all the time - sometimes by as few as 4-5 ships. I'd go as far as to say that any gang from a wormhole corp (which are notoriously strong) could drop a solo Rorqual if they found it.

https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/
Cngaar Aya
Wormlife Freeport Operations
Wormlife
#4 - 2017-02-09 19:05:52 UTC
Even a C1 will accept battlecruisers. A gang of T3 cruisers can absolutely wreck a Rorqual in J-space, so even a Rorqual in C1 has to be babied with extreme care, particularly since one cannot rely on Local.
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
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#5 - 2017-02-09 19:26:30 UTC
well with indy core on is sitting duck. panic button wont save you it will only sdelay your death. but what with situation when you have two rorquals and have spare panic buttons in cargo hold and once one burns out you refit for another you will eventually run out of them but could relatively long extend rorqual death? someone explain how whole panic works.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-02-09 22:16:56 UTC
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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#7 - 2017-02-10 03:09:40 UTC
A C2 can fit just about anything (Orca and under) while as mentioned above a C1 can fit BC and under.

Given that most gangs in EVE (WHs or otherwise ) are BC and below being in a low class WH really does not mean anything. Hell people kill Rorqals with bombers all the time and you could fit hundreds through ha C1.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#8 - 2017-02-10 04:21:50 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
while as mentioned above a C1 can fit BC and under.

People get quite the shock in C1 space when the Nestor fleet lands on them Lol

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#9 - 2017-02-10 06:43:21 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
while as mentioned above a C1 can fit BC and under.

People get quite the shock in C1 space when the Nestor fleet lands on them Lol


Yeah Nestors are a bit of a special case.


Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#10 - 2017-02-10 19:30:45 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
while as mentioned above a C1 can fit BC and under.

People get quite the shock in C1 space when the Nestor fleet lands on them Lol


Yeah Nestors are a bit of an awesome case.



FTFY

You want a real fleet comp that'll ruin a Rorqual's day:

Logi:
2 Nestor
1 Guardian

Neuting:
2 Neut Legions
and/or
1 Bhaalgorn

DPS:
6 T3 Cruisers, or Battlecruisers.

That would effectively trash any rorqual with time and no backup, The reason why they're more difficult in nullsec is basically cynos and chained panic buttons.

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Kines Pavelovna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2017-02-11 19:43:23 UTC
You can fit like, what, 600 bombers through a fresh 1 bill hole? So that's about 60 bombers through a crit one. So that and like 2 sabers logged off with a scout. would do 40k+ dps and perma-tackle you.

Assume only half get in so 18-20k+ dps with void bombs. It's a pretty dicey scenario, you might make it, you might not. It would depend entirely on fit/numbers and how many of them you can kill/drive off as the fight goes, how many friends you have and so on, and on.

Just play with those sorts of numbers and get some guesses.

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Kapten Conn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2017-02-13 14:33:04 UTC
Remote sensor dampening should work on Rorquals 100%. So, if you are alone, it would take Arazu + Information links boost and you will be looking at default targeting range of 200 km down to 16 km with 4 damps. This is according to Pyfa.

But I have a feeling that Pyfa is not calculating this number correctly, so my Excel is saying that 4 point damp with boost should bring you down to 11.8 km.

Rest is what ever - as long as they can out dps / neut you.
Eikin Skjald
Ars Venandi
#13 - 2017-02-14 08:06:39 UTC
A well tanked and fitted Rorqual can tank a Fleet with Neut and damage for a very long Time, but you will never get out of the Tackle. Maybe you are lucky and the aggressor need to go to sleep Roll, or you can batphone.



Nakovi Kitsune
No Pressure.
#14 - 2017-02-14 19:33:26 UTC
Some guy managed to get a rorq into a C13 a while back and we managed to murder him with only HICs, T3 dessies, and some stealth bombers. Only 7-8 pilots total. Took forever, but he died, and that was with frig hole restrictions and limited numbers.

In a C2? Where they can drop T3 cruisers on you? It wouldn't take much.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#15 - 2017-02-14 23:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Jonn Duune wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
while as mentioned above a C1 can fit BC and under.

People get quite the shock in C1 space when the Nestor fleet lands on them Lol


Yeah Nestors are a bit of an awesome case.



FTFY

You want a real fleet comp that'll ruin a Rorqual's day:

Logi:
2 Nestor
1 Guardian

Neuting:
2 Neut Legions
and/or
1 Bhaalgorn

DPS:
6 T3 Cruisers, or Battlecruisers.

That would effectively trash any rorqual with time and no backup, The reason why they're more difficult in nullsec is basically cynos and chained panic buttons.



In most cases yeah - few years back a corp mate decided to shoot my (dual rep/links/boosters) rorqual for lols with a moros, awhile later when still no nearer breaking its tank he added an alt in a bhaal - about 12 minutes later he conceded defeat.

The big problem is any fleet that would engage a rorqual likely has atleast a couple of logi so without support you'd just be dragging it out til they had numbers to kill you and/or wore you down.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#16 - 2017-02-15 00:41:41 UTC
Aerilyn Neiliff wrote:
what could reasonably threaten a Rorqual in that environment?


Stealth Bombers.

Lots and lots of Stealth Bombers.

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#17 - 2017-02-15 12:38:45 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Aerilyn Neiliff wrote:
what could reasonably threaten a Rorqual in that environment?


Stealth Bombers.

Lots and lots of Stealth Bombers.

Don't even need that many.

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Tyrant Scorn
#18 - 2017-02-15 17:05:46 UTC
Put scouts on every active wormhole, do your thing, when you see a combat ship come through a wormhole, get the hell out... Keep a close eye on new sigs, refresh d-scan...

It's easy as pie to keep yourself safe in a c1 or c2.

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