Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, the proteus, indeed, all of the T3 SC's have a subsystem for that, so it really actually IS a scanning ship, if you want to make it so. All of them can be. Why do you find my claim, this being the case, to be such a weak one?

Yes, I do know of other ships that have a slight bonus to mining with little turrets. In my opinion, these are unsuitable for actually playing the role of a miner, though, due to the bonuses being weak. They're for people who just need a bit of ore to build some ammo or drones away from their normal area of operations, I think.

So, why is that opinion wrong, and that you think you can come even anywhere near the efficiency of an exhumer or barge, with these ships you chose?

Personally, I don't think this topic would have had nearly so much interest if it were not for how many players seem to want to come off as know-it-alls and shove it in my face that they are so great.

It was a simple request that I wanted CCP to look at. If they don't do it, then they don't, but I see nothing wrong with asking for what I want. The worst that can happen is that I don't get it. Fine, that leaves me no worse off than now.

No, I don't think so. I had quit this game for awhile, and came back to try it again when they sent me an email about the changes, and a discounted fare for 3 months of play. Aside from a few annoyances like this one, I was pretty happy with it.

But I'm pretty turned off to interacting with people on this forum, to be completely honest, and I doubt I'll make any more threads or take part in this 'community.' No big deal, I'm sure the loss will be minimal and a lot more people can yell and scream at everything they can to make themselves seem better.

If you really want to have fun, wait until it's a complete noob and make sure you totally ruin his experience and provide nothing helpful so he'll just quit the game.

I have removed a post and those quoting it for violating the above rule. Also, I will be moving this to Features and Ideas.

For whatever it's worth, while the op's reasoning is laughable, there is an interesting point to be made here. This has been brought up before in terms of barge balancing, but there were people who floated the idea of barges only ever having one midslot, and having between three to six lowslots depending on the tech1/2 version. The reason being that barges right now are pretty much pigeonholed into three categories: yield/capacity/tank.

Theoretically, you COULD re-do the mining barges to be armor tanked as stated above (1 mid/3-6 low). Now, all three important stats are decided by the player's fitting. If the tech 1 barge has one mid and three lows, and the tech 2 has five lows (just as an example), it's up to the player on how they want to mix and match those lows. Cargo expanders, mining upgrades, tank. Every barge's performance would be dictated by the player's fitting rather than role bonuses providing half of the fitting choice for them.

If you balanced the fitting stats correctly, a player could fit a barge to very closely mimic the performance of the current barges while leaving some wiggle room for customization. "Well, I really don't need a second thermal plate, so maybe I'll fit one cargo expander so I can be out here a bit longer". In a vacuum, giving players this sort of fitting freedom is a good thing in line with EvE's themes. It doesn't matter what "99% of miners will just fit [xyz]", it matters that the choice is there.

Now, all that was said that the idea has potential to be interesting. But that doesn't mean I endorse it. Actually at this stage in the game I can't anyway. Mining is so currently themed as shield tanking now that the mining command ships are bonused for shield tanking and shield repping. And believe it or not, that's very important as it sets the tone for the mining fleet. It also makes sense to shield tank because shield reps apply at the beginning of the cycle, meaning if you're under sudden gank attack, you get that rep right away to keep you alive since you might not live to end of cycle.

So op, believe it or not, DEVs did think long and hard about mining barge balance. And for what it is right now, it's very well balanced. They listened to player concerns and gave them the tools to protect themselves in an emerging game environment. Yes, Devs listen and take notice, even if you can't fully appreciate the end result :)

I feel like you lost the point I was making here. Guristas are all about Drones and Shields. You have brought shame to the best faction in the game. Therefor your Guristas hat privileges should be revoked. Effective immediately.

I for one like Shield tanking. And Drones. And Missiles. Thus I wear my Guristas stripes with pride!

Well, that was the mechanism I saw and most thought, 'hey, this might work.' Having the strategic cruiser pretty much saves me buying a ton of ships, yeah. But I also noticed that the technology is already there, and that it may be possible, using subsytems, to give people a mining ship that they can totally get a decent return on, but yeah, if they're paranoid, and I am, tank the hell out of it and not lose, ENTIRELY, all the yield bonuses.

yeah would be nice for mining ships to be able to armor tank but there is one problem with that more of those slots equals more mining bonus in lows and idiots never tank their ships they always go for maximum profit and they cry when they die

First: You never quit EVE. Maybe you take a break. Some take years breaks. But you always come back.
Second: I assume the responses here would be nicer in general, if you have called the thread
"Why are all ORE mining ships shield tanked?" and not " Sick and tired of shield miners."

An aggressive opening leads to aggressive answers, wich leads to anger and to pain...

Ups, wrong universe.

Read you in chat. 😎

I have armour tanked a raven before, lots of fun.

I don't think it should have cloaks and all, no. We have 3 exhumers. We can drop to 1, and use subsytems to replace Hulk/Mack/Skiff traits, and in addition, maybe add a gravity capacitor for faster travel fit, and a selectable tank system.

I'm not advocating more power. Just more choice, and yes, the idea of confusing a bunch of gankers, which systems does this ship have? I find it amusing.