Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I knew I was going to lose, so therefore I won....because I lost (my ****)?

This is some quality shitposting.

That 4x cap recharger stratios you died in suggests you should probably refrain from commenting on fitting choices or the meta game.

At all.

Ever.

No it is not. ORE is a former Gallente corporation that left the Federation. They decided to shield tank their ships? So what.

Hey Little Boy,

even if all of us try to explain, that miningships are NOT gallentean ships, you complain.
Every race has it's special ship that uses shield instead of armor (or armor instead of shield), Missiles instead of guns and so on.

And be sure - an armortanking exhumer is a bad choise - you don't have enough Slots for mining Upgrades and tank and damage-mods... armortank makes you even slower than this cans already are....

Learn from the old ones and trust them if they say "armor on miningships is ****"...

This thread.... smh.

OP learn to inform yourself. Ever heard about a Gallente Mining Ship called Vexor? There you go. Topic solved.

A retriever is a horrible shield tank but can make an alright armer tank as it's 1 mid and 3 lows. That said if you don't use mining upgrades then it can take forever to fill her up. So there is an option for a non Caldari like tank. But if you take forever to fill up and CODE, pirates or in null and hostiles show up that tank really isn't gonna do you much good. When mining in Eve I've learned the faster you fill and move the better your chances of not getting zapped. Procurer is best for tank for barges even if you don't like shields.

You can use em and thermal rigs with em and thermal hardeners. You have 2 mids left to use survey and shield extender. Or go booster and extender. Tough tank that can survive highsec gankers and gives you a good shot at survival in lowsec, wh, null excetra. It also allows you to use mining upgrades.

I'm sure yall know this but that's the simple answer. Yes there's armer tank mining ships but it makes sense to use shield based ones if you're looking for survivability. If CCP gave us more low slots then miners would use them for mining ugs and cargo extenders instead of tank.

Dang, this thread isn't dead, yet? I had some spare points to waste, and the hat was on sale. You're right, I'm a complete casual. I'm not uber great at this game, and make a lot of poor fitting choices, as you can see from some of the crap I've had blown up.

That doesn't, however, mean that I don't learn a least something from these mistakes, and honestly, I ask for a lot of advice on things in game. Some of the stuff I have been advised, well, turns out those guys were pretty casual, themselves, and just didn't want to admit it.

The real point of this, as I stated in my very first post was not to have you all attack me, which you very well seem to enjoy doing, but rather to basically put the idea on CCP's radar.

Seriously, what sort of response did you expect me to have to all the vitriol and flames being directed at me? Niceness? Mark was right, in his last statement. I want a bunch of lows on a miner, for an armor tank, and a boosted or at least equal base value as they give the shields. But, yes, I admit that a lot of people would abuse the hell out of it with the current mods. This is unsolvable?

CCP has done a lot of things with these ships and modules, and made many balancing changes. I'm not convinced that they couldn't come up with a solution that serves all their players, even the ones that are interested in playing the 'lore' of their racial choices.

The difference between other ship classes having shield/armor fits, or hull options, is they are spread over a wide range of factions, whereas all dedicated mining ships come from only one.

For mining, you dont need to crosstrain another factions hulls.

Believe me, I too was annoyed that SOE are armor bonused, and Amarr/Gallente specific, cos i had skills in none of them.
But I HTFU, skilled up and voila, problem solved.

Sure, CCP could release another Mining faction besides ORE, that has armor tanked variants, perhaps similarly to the frigate/cruiser/bs class hulls of pirate factions. It would add flavor and variety, but I dont think its worth the effort, since ORE variants pretty much do what a mining ship needs to do.

Only that it doesn't sound reasonable. There are no arguments to support the idea except "I don't want to train shields because I'm Gallente", which is not much of an argument at all.

On top of that, there are already not that many mining ships with a shield bonus - namely the endurance, the procurer and the skiff. Both the retriever and the covetor have 3 low slots and only one med slot. The Prospect has 4 lows and 3 meds - quite the nice slot layout for a frigate. Yes, they all have fewer HP in armor, but they have higher resists in Armor too. So, by all means armor tank them if you like. Even the Mackinaw and the Hulk could be armor tanked if you like. But you won't, because you value yield over armor tank. And yield mods go into the lows, and there is nothing sensible you can put into a med slot, besides a single survey scanner.

There's also lots of talk about patterns. CCP does a thing, and according to OP needs to repeat that thing forever apparently. Except for the mods that raise effectiveness of your turrets - those can apparently go into med slots as well for some reason, even if it goes against the pattern.

OP may not be asking for much (although rebalancing some of the most widely used ships in the game or adding new ships to that class is quite a big deal in my book), but he has also not brought forward a single good reason why what he is asking for should be given to him. He just keeps repeating "but I wanna wanna wanna wanna" like a little kid not getting its way.