Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I jet can mine.....but with the appropriate industrial who warps in and empties the can (save one unit) and warps off.

The point is that CCP has removed "alot of content" with these changes. I recall chasing can flippers around systems. I'd tell the miners to fleet me and I'd try to blow up the flippers. Surprisingly they'd do it and I'd chase guys all around. Even if didn't kill the guy it was fun.

Can you provide evidence of this claim? Because CCP looked into this and found that it is not an issue.

I agree, it would be stupid to allow criminals into your space, but that is what the New Order is trying to fix. If you repeatedly mine without a permit, thus committing a crime again and again, you should expect the owners of that space to get annoyed with you and eventually come and explode you.

I don't know why you think James 315 would tolerate you in his space with a ship armed with mining lasers without his permission. It is only natural that your crime would be punished by the other players who own that space.

I don´t have issues with the mechanics other than i´m thinking they are stupid! Look i´m doing nothing more in eve than shoot spaceships.... not npcs (esp. not the NPC - Miners in low!!! cause they are OP!!!) And i don´t need to learn the meachanics because i´m using em ...but still i´m thinking they are stupid! The mechanics are helping gankers more than they are helping the victims! And the meta is even more broken when ppl make money with it because you use cheap as **** ships to get a lot of loot dropped! And as a known criminal the sec forces are waiting you to do it again! So they are just watching! I can see that your point of view "gankers view" is different but this is ok and of course i won´t call you dumb .

nope because they can just buy tags!

That's fine. Not everyone has the inclination or understanding to be a game designer. CCP are the professionals however, and they have designed their game this way for a reason.

I'll pull back the curtain a bit for you: Eve is a player-driven game. A full-time, PvP sandbox game in fact. The purpose of CONCORD and the other NPCs that hunt criminals is not to prevent crime or prevent player interactions. Those player criminals are completely intended to exist and to be able to operate in highsec. The NPCs and security status system is just to impose a cost, and provide some deterrence of complete wholesale violence. It is not, however as you seem to want, designed to prevent criminals from operating.

If CCP wanted a "safesec" they could just lock everyone's safety to green, or turn up CONCORD response to instant. But they don't want that. That is not the point of the game. You are intended to be shot by other players if they are willing to pay the costs, whether because you made yourself a lucrative target to shoot, or for some other player-driven sandbox reason. How could you have any 'cops and robbers' game play if you locked criminals out of highsec?

The answer is you couldn't. Eve is a player-driven game so the players must be allowed to interact, not kept apart by draconian NPC-enforced mechanics. But your plaintive cries that the mechanics CCP have implemented help the gankers more than potential victims are utterly false. CCP has gone to great effort to provide tools, ships, and to repeatedly buff those tools and ships to allow players to protect themselves from criminals. Anyone with a moderate understanding of the game mechanics, and who is willing to spend a small amount of effort can operate with impunity to suicide gankers.

It is all working as intended.

That's already in the game, if your security standing drops too much you are an outlaw. It doesn't help. As long as stupid players exist, suicide gankers will be there to take advantage.

The only way to stop is would be to transform EVE Online into a completely different game, which wouldn't be EVE anymore. Let's call this hypothetical game BORE Online and now let's stop thinking about this.

I would just like to point out at this time that FW used to "raid" enemy space in fast cruiser fleets. They would run around a system, try to frag the rival faction ships and get out before the faction NPC navies caught them. It was incredibly fun content but it was removed from EVE in once of CCP nerfs to ganking.

My point is inevitably when you nerf ganking it hits someone else far harder and removes a lot of content. Over the years we have lost a huge amount of content simply because people did not want to fit a tank to their ships and actually play the game.

nice judgment! I don´t carebear at all :-)!!!

And for the evaluation they just checked killstats... first 15 days!
So if you would ask ppl who are leaving after a short time.... i´m still thinking all the "rude" stuff together have an impact! And this ganking stuff is a part of it!

Maybe you should watch it again, because they also mentioned that they asked ALL players who leave about the reasons and <1% cite ship loss as a reason.

So maybe you should ask yourself why the other 99% are leaving and not destroy whole parts of the game because of <1% who are unable to handle the loss of a pixel spaceship in a game about shooting pixel spaceships.