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So i lost 4 billion..........
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#21 - 2017-02-06 18:40:54 UTC
I recently hauled over 32 billion ISK from hisec into lowsec ... in a cloaky Covert Ops.

The most I'll put into a triple-bulkhead freighter is 2 billion ISK, but ~1 billion or less is recommended. I have gotten my freighter scanned and bumped with ~1 billion, and was subsequently let go both times.

A heavily tanked Deep Space Transport is about the same as a Freighter. However, if you fit a MJD and claok, it severely reduces the tank, but may get you out of a bumping situation. It is a toss-up whether to use one or no (I usually don't).

I've lost a Blockade Runner (Crane) to a Jita Tornado when I accidentally warped to the station, instead of using my insta-dock bookmark. I was distracted. Note that Blockade Runners are kill-on-sight, and should always be cloaked. My Crane had no cargo at the time; gankers roll the dice, and usually win.

I currently own 4-5 each of: freighter, transport, blockade runner. I also own 2 Orca; they can have a ton of tank now, especially with shield bursts (and skills + implants), but the cargo capacity has been greatly reduced to around DST level.
Keno Skir
#22 - 2017-02-06 20:39:31 UTC
When you're half way thru laughing at someone's comedy lossmail and realise they're in your corp and you could be laughing in person Cool

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Keno Skir
#23 - 2017-02-06 20:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Double Post - please delete.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#24 - 2017-02-08 13:40:02 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Lucifer Saissore wrote:
I do think its a cra-ppy feature of the game i lost 4bil the other guy lost a cheap hull.


I think it's a brilliant feature of the game!

Put 4 billion dollars in the back of your truck and go driving cross-country, see what happens.

If you were careful with how and where you packed that 4 billion, and careful with what you said and who you said it to, and you were able to not get all paranoid and start doing stupid things you have a significantly greater chance to move 4 bil in a pick up truck in real life than you do in EvE because cargo scanners. Unless they break into your truck to look inside that random selection of crappy old cardboard boxes and commonly used solid colored plastic containers you have a very high probability that no one will ever know you have 4 bil hidden in your truck. In EvE we have no equivalent of the worn cardboard boxes and commonly used plastic containers. The containers we have can be scanned trough and those that cannot are likely to trigger a gank simply to find out what you are hiding.
Lucian Skord
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2017-02-08 14:35:33 UTC
Can you see inside containers when u use a ship scanner then?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2017-02-08 18:23:51 UTC
Lucian Skord wrote:
Can you see inside containers when u use a ship scanner then?


Yes.

You can 'double-wrap', courier contract wrapping inside a container or container inside courier contract. Those can't be scanned through, but if you do that gankers may target you on principal, if you're hiding something then you have something to hide.
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#27 - 2017-02-09 00:54:38 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Lucian Skord wrote:
Can you see inside containers when u use a ship scanner then?


Yes.

You can 'double-wrap', courier contract wrapping inside a container or container inside courier contract. Those can't be scanned through, but if you do that gankers may target you on principal, if you're hiding something then you have something to hide.

Can Alpha's do this? I may consider doing it in a T1 industrial if possible just to screw with people's heads. Because the guy's expression when he opens the cargo he killed you for... only for it to turn out to be 1 veldspar or something of the like.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6875494#post6875494 - Ship mounted explosives. Because explosions and Jita chaos.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#28 - 2017-02-09 15:08:44 UTC
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Can Alpha's do this? I may consider doing it in a T1 industrial if possible just to screw with people's heads. Because the guy's expression when he opens the cargo he killed you for... only for it to turn out to be 1 veldspar or something of the like.

If you can create contracts you can do this but you need at least two characters to do it. On second thought you may be able to do it with one but I have never tried to contract something back to the same character so who knows.

Do do what they are talking about you simply contract something you want moved to another character and there are two ways to do this
1. Contract the stuff to be moved and the game places it into a shipping crate (bubble wrap) and then the character who is hauling the cargo places that into a container and the container into the hold of the ship.
2. Put the stuff into a container and then contract the container to be moved. The game then places the container into a shipping grate (bubble wrap) and then the character doing the hauling places it into the hold.

Realted but note really, you cannot place a container inside a container, the game will not allow it. I have never tested to see if a bubble wrapped container can be places inside another container, anyone out there tried this?
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#29 - 2017-02-13 13:43:22 UTC
4 Billion ISK is too much to be hauling around. You should be aware that in highsec there are corporations that specialise in nothing but suicide ganking ships. Whereby they will sacrifice some cheap and expendable ships, which do a lot of damage, in order to destroy yours.

As for the selection of ship - essentially you need to read the pointers above. Though you can do some hauling in a tech I industrial. There are two different classes of industrials. While the Big industrials can carry from 20,000 m3 to 26,000 m3 with proper fitting and skills they are very weak and slow. Never use the big industrials (Iteron V, Mammoth, Bestower, and Tayra) for trade hauling.... Ever. You only use the large industrials when you're off the main trade routes and you absolutely have to.

The tech I industrial you should be using for trade hauling (assuming none of the better options are available to you) are Nereus, Wreathe, Sigil, and Badger. They will only carry 10,000 m3 max - but they have decent agility and fitting abilities. Such that they are boast 30,000 eHP, and also have sufficient agility for MWD+Cloak tricks. They are also a fairly ubiquitous ship, and don't scream out, "I'm a floating gank magnet. Please kill me". Because those industrials get used for everything.

While it is possible to make a lot of ISK as a small volume high speed courier in a tech I industrial. Carrying anything more than 500k ISK is risky. Carrying more than 1 Billion ISK is an absolute no no.... CARRYING 4 Billion ISK IS INSANE!!!
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#30 - 2017-02-13 22:23:53 UTC
The 'long road' to solve the "how did they do this" riddle is to try the other side for awhile.

Train up and do some ganking of your own...maybe join a corp...maybe the corp that took your ship out (if they'll have you.)

Spend some time learning how to kill hi-sec haulers and you'll learn how to avoid/withstand such attacks.

Like I said...that's the long way of solving it. But as most of the other posters in the thread have said...the easy way is "don't be low-hanging fruit."

You don't have the be impossible to kill. Just harder than most.

One more analogy...to avoid being eaten by a shark, use the buddy system. You don't have to swim faster than the shark...you just have to swim faster than your buddy.

Good luck

KB

Dum Spiro Spero
Lianara Dayton
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2017-02-14 10:06:31 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Realted but note really, you cannot place a container inside a container, the game will not allow it. I have never tested to see if a bubble wrapped container can be places inside another container, anyone out there tried this?


No, it can't. That's exactly why our corp JF service expressly forbids pilots from adding unrepackaged containers and fitted ships to corp courier contracts. It's not possible to double-wrap an already double-wrapped contract.

At least as far as I know (but to be honest I very rarely dirty myself with hauling these days - that's what contracts and poors are there for). Blink

Lianara Dayton, Society for Peace and Unity
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