Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So rapid launchers are beloved of their high dps, but hated for their incredibly long reload time. It's balanced to avoid creating high sustained dps. I get that, it makes total sense.

If you want to gank something though, perhaps the ~55,000 total damage applied (ignoring application) by a full magazine of T2 heavy missiles (25 volleys * 2200 per volley feels like a reasonable average for missile-bonused ships) is insufficient. Heck there are T1 cruisers that can handle that, after which their 35 second reload means it'll all get repped up.

A battleship, especially one fitting RHMLs, is a weapon platform... they're generally designed to bring on the pain.

Since it's all about that burst (with rapid launchers), what are people's thoughts on a rig with a very high fitting requirement which acts as a "second magazine" for rapid launchers? Would have the usual missile rig fitting penalty, as well as a very high calibration requirement (300 for T1, 350 for T2).

In essence, your first reload upon entering combat would be reduced to 10 seconds for T1, 8 seconds for T2.

It allows a battleship to really bear down and put some "momentarily sustained" (oxymoron ftw!) burst damage in, at a cost of severely limiting their options for rigs (aka reducing their application bonuses, their tank, their scan res, whatever rigs you normally fit probably won't fit anymore).

I would stipulate that it would be in "Large" and greater variety only. RLMLs are already very good at killing small ships.

Would it be too much?

How about we remove rapid from the the database entirely and fix the proper size missile systems that have been overnerfed.

In what way is this remotely required? You're basically giving a buff to a single weapon system in a way that significantly mitigates its one overwhelming drawback and buffs ganking of all things...

What part of this sounds at all needed?

You're not even providing a justification for why this is a good idea or what hole in the game it's filling, this is a solution looking for a problem covered with a tissue paper thin justification.

this guy dose understand they are meant to take out frigates and not intended to be used against cruisers and larger right?

How about some rapid artilleries, beams and very rapid railguns too?

OP talk about RHML tho which is designed to kill cruiser

The level of reading comprehension here is phenomenal. Usually the people who respond to my posts do so intelligently, whether for or against it (admittedly most are against, but that is true most of the time for me).

Rather than quote a bunch of people all saying the same thing, I'll respond to the misunderstandings in point form to break things down a bit:

1) These would be for LARGE and greater rig slots. No battleship in their right mind would fit RLMLs unless they were fitting for taking out frigates... in which case... they've so severely nerfed themselves that there is nothing OP about it.

2) (Dior Ambraelle) How does a launcher affect a missile's tracking? You're in essence talking about T2 missiles, which already exist. Some have bigger explosions and more damage, others have more precise explosions and less damage

3) (Cade Windstalker) The purpose would be for gank, obviously. Consider this. You're playing solo PVP, and you run into a small gate camp... lets say some battlecruisers. They have enough tank that your RHMLs won't break their buffer. If they're active fit, odds are by the time you've spent your ~50 or so seconds shooting, plus the extra 35 seconds reloading, that they've repped all your damage. It's gank that's not ganky. Another use-case would be Widows on hot-drops. Further justifications in #5.

4) (Lugh Crow-Slave) I'm disappointed... you're generally very intelligent in your posts.

5) (elitatwo) Rapid arty is called an autocannon. Rapid beams are called pulses. Rapid railguns are called blasters. As you well know missile systems are completely different from turret systems. HMLs lack burst, RHMLs lack sustained, while both retain range. Turret brawling systems trade range for damage. You can rig in extra range pretty easy on a brawling turret ship.

6) (Suitonia) You can't put large rigs on caracals, can you?

7) (unidenify) Thank you for reading. It should be unimpressive, but given the crowd, it is impressive.

8) (baltec1) Yes... for the first reload. After that first reload, you're back to 35 seconds. For what reason do you relate them to torpedos, when they both have very different use-cases? That said, a dread with rapid torp launchers would benefit from this, given that it fits larger than large rigs.

A legion HAM ship seems capable of an enormous amount of dps, cap warfare with the right subsystems, and a massive tank. Sure, you don't have the Covert Ops Cloak, but hell. You gankers just want **** handed to you, don't you?

So, in other words, no, flying your bigass expensive ship is not using your skills right, and maybe you wanted a cap warfare ham legion, after all?

I know how much you hate T3 SC's, but it fits what he wanted, and already exists.

and they do this very well... so what is the issue