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Sick and tired of shield miners

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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#61 - 2017-02-14 00:19:42 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I normal don't request this, but can we lock this thread? I feel dumber each time I read this title in the EVE General Discussion area...


Sometimes it's fun just to keep them going. Like when a telemarketer or scammer calls your house and you just drag them on.
Amojin
Doomheim
#62 - 2017-02-14 00:19:56 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
You dont have to put tank on your mining ships. They will mine just fine without any defence modules.



Never heard of CODE, have you?

Wow... No, no they won't do just fine without tanks...

Yes, I heard about CODE and they dont use much tank either.


*sigh*

[snip]



Might I suggest train Troll Detection to level 1?



You really should. All these upvotes for the thread.

None of them, are for me. Not one.

If I were a troll, I'm an expert.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#63 - 2017-02-14 00:21:07 UTC
Amojin wrote:
But don't be surprised if, someday soon, you see an armor miner than can actually beat the hell out of you. You code cowards are just that. A single miner should not be able to win, certainly, but give a few of us a bit more offense?
You already have options for more offence, they're called the Skiff and Procurer, both of which have a substantial drone bonus; they're capable of some serious defence too.

Quote:
Oops. It's high time that we had the right to use our racial tanks, and toss a bit more than drones at you. Even a single extra high slot would make 8 of you think again.
Alternatively you could accept that mining vessels are resource gathering ships, while 2 of the mining ship line can be used in combat fairly effectively, they are not combat ships.

A ball of Skiffs and Procurers with their drones out is a massive incentive for would be gankers to gank somebody else.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Amojin
Doomheim
#64 - 2017-02-14 00:21:48 UTC
Cien Banchiere wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I normal don't request this, but can we lock this thread? I feel dumber each time I read this title in the EVE General Discussion area...


Sometimes it's fun just to keep them going. Like when a telemarketer or scammer calls your house and you just drag them on.



No, he wants a safe space.

Someone has said something politically incorrect. They told the truth about something, or were honest. He can't have that. His university has trained him to go to his safe space room, eat cookies, drink milk, and relax on a little nap mat.

Safe space... Relax. It's ok.
Amojin
Doomheim
#65 - 2017-02-14 00:23:50 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Amojin wrote:
But don't be surprised if, someday soon, you see an armor miner than can actually beat the hell out of you. You code cowards are just that. A single miner should not be able to win, certainly, but give a few of us a bit more offense?
You already have options for more offence, they're called the Skiff and Procurer, both of which have a substantial drone bonus; they're capable of some serious defence too.

Quote:
Oops. It's high time that we had the right to use our racial tanks, and toss a bit more than drones at you. Even a single extra high slot would make 8 of you think again.
Alternatively you could accept that mining vessels are resource gathering ships, while 2 of the mining ship line can be used in combat fairly effectively, they are not combat ships.

A ball of Skiffs and Procurers with their drones out is a massive incentive for would be gankers to gank somebody else.



True enough, if they were all awake. They';re not. A lot of them are afk. On the flip side, I usually escape while they're being killed, so I don't much care. But as a general issue, I would still like to use my l5 skills, and extract these 3's that I use for NOTHING else.
Quinn Hatfield
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2017-02-14 00:26:53 UTC
Amojin wrote:
Quinn Hatfield wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Man up already and train those shield tanks.



No. I'm a Gallente player. And I choose to remain at least loosely tied to that. Which means armor tanks only.
Being stubborn is your problem. I exclusively fly Gallente yet my shield tanking skills are almost maxed out because every little helps.



Fine. You have that option. It's stupid, given the recent changes, but ok. You want a shield tanked Gallente ship? Go ahead and die.
The shield Megathron, shield Myrmidon, shield Nereus and shield Brutix would like a word with you

I don't burn bridges, I merely steal a bolt a day.
Amojin
Doomheim
#67 - 2017-02-14 00:29:31 UTC
Quinn Hatfield wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Quinn Hatfield wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Man up already and train those shield tanks.



No. I'm a Gallente player. And I choose to remain at least loosely tied to that. Which means armor tanks only.
Being stubborn is your problem. I exclusively fly Gallente yet my shield tanking skills are almost maxed out because every little helps.



Fine. You have that option. It's stupid, given the recent changes, but ok. You want a shield tanked Gallente ship? Go ahead and die.
The shield Megathron, shield Myrmidon, shield Nereus and shield Brutix would like a word with you


Fine. I know the Myrmidon best. Let's have that word. You have 1000 less hp's of shield than armor.

You have 5 mediums, and 6 lows. You are a drone boat. You should have drone mods in highs, and your holy trinity in the mids.
That leaves 2 mids for drone upgrades.

Your tank is, obviously, in the lows.

Make your big argument.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#68 - 2017-02-14 00:29:48 UTC
The real reason has been given.

More low slots = people will just cram them full of mining laser upgrades, not tank.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#69 - 2017-02-14 00:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Amojin wrote:
No, he wants a safe space. Someone has said something politically incorrect.

Last post on this thread (IB4TL, reported). Opinions are fine - differing opinions are even better.
But this whole thread is just ******* stupid.

PSA: Please stop feeding the troll. Please.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#70 - 2017-02-14 00:30:12 UTC
Amojin wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Amojin wrote:
But don't be surprised if, someday soon, you see an armor miner than can actually beat the hell out of you. You code cowards are just that. A single miner should not be able to win, certainly, but give a few of us a bit more offense?
You already have options for more offence, they're called the Skiff and Procurer, both of which have a substantial drone bonus; they're capable of some serious defence too.

Quote:
Oops. It's high time that we had the right to use our racial tanks, and toss a bit more than drones at you. Even a single extra high slot would make 8 of you think again.
Alternatively you could accept that mining vessels are resource gathering ships, while 2 of the mining ship line can be used in combat fairly effectively, they are not combat ships.

A ball of Skiffs and Procurers with their drones out is a massive incentive for would be gankers to gank somebody else.



True enough, if they were all awake. They';re not. A lot of them are afk. On the flip side, I usually escape while they're being killed, so I don't much care. But as a general issue, I would still like to use my l5 skills, and extract these 3's that I use for NOTHING else.
Most people who mine in Skiffs and Procurers aren't AFK, the size of the ore hold and the short time it takes to fill see to that.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Amojin
Doomheim
#71 - 2017-02-14 00:31:50 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The real reason has been given.

More low slots = people will just cram them full of mining laser upgrades, not tank.


They broke up drone upgrades to all three slots.

Is it so hard, they can't repeat this?
Amojin
Doomheim
#72 - 2017-02-14 00:33:49 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Amojin wrote:
But don't be surprised if, someday soon, you see an armor miner than can actually beat the hell out of you. You code cowards are just that. A single miner should not be able to win, certainly, but give a few of us a bit more offense?
You already have options for more offence, they're called the Skiff and Procurer, both of which have a substantial drone bonus; they're capable of some serious defence too.

Quote:
Oops. It's high time that we had the right to use our racial tanks, and toss a bit more than drones at you. Even a single extra high slot would make 8 of you think again.
Alternatively you could accept that mining vessels are resource gathering ships, while 2 of the mining ship line can be used in combat fairly effectively, they are not combat ships.

A ball of Skiffs and Procurers with their drones out is a massive incentive for would be gankers to gank somebody else.



True enough, if they were all awake. They';re not. A lot of them are afk. On the flip side, I usually escape while they're being killed, so I don't much care. But as a general issue, I would still like to use my l5 skills, and extract these 3's that I use for NOTHING else.
Most people who mine in Skiffs and Procurers aren't AFK, the size of the ore hold and the short time it takes to fill see to that.


No they didm't go to sleep, but I'm watching hulu while I mine. In all honesty. Stargate SG-1, season 3, ep 12, right now. Not REALLY paying attention.

But sorta, yeah. You're right. Enough to respond. A lot of people, though, no, they're actually, like, gone, away, from the entire computer. Their ship will stop mining for about 10 minutes.
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#73 - 2017-02-14 00:35:13 UTC
Sounds like a human error and not a design error that you and others are not paying attention. I know how it goes. I currently am fodder for gate rats.
Amojin
Doomheim
#74 - 2017-02-14 00:37:10 UTC
Cien Banchiere wrote:
Sounds like a human error and not a design error that you and others are not paying attention. I know how it goes. I currently am fodder for gate rats.



I agree, EXCEPT, as I have said, over and over, again. There is a pattern.

CCP has made it a pattern that both tank types can fulfill all roles.

EXCEPT mining.
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#75 - 2017-02-14 00:37:55 UTC
Doesn't look like anything to me.
Amojin
Doomheim
#76 - 2017-02-14 00:38:48 UTC
Cien Banchiere wrote:
Doesn't look like anything to me.


Why should it?
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2017-02-14 00:49:13 UTC
Amojin wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The real reason has been given.

More low slots = people will just cram them full of mining laser upgrades, not tank.


They broke up drone upgrades to all three slots.

Is it so hard, they can't repeat this?

I already said it before, but I'll say it again. They did not break up the drone upgrades, they brought them more in line with the turret upgrades. There are still no damage mods for drones in the med slots, only damage application mods. If anything, they added *more* drone mods that you might want to cram into your lows. (called Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancers - look it up, they go into the lowslots).

So I will ask again: Do you have trouble tracking those roids with your mining laser?
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2017-02-14 00:49:41 UTC
Is there a gameplay problem with shield tanked mining ships or are you just complaining?
Quinn Hatfield
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2017-02-14 00:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinn Hatfield
Amojin wrote:
Fine. I know the Myrmidon best. Let's have that word. You have 1000 less hp's of shield than armor.

You have 5 mediums, and 6 lows. You are a drone boat. You should have drone mods in highs, and your holy trinity in the mids.
That leaves 2 mids for drone upgrades.

Your tank is, obviously, in the lows.

Make your big argument.
An AC/Arty passive shield tanked Myrmidon is a scary thing to get on the wrong side of, while I certainly wouldn't solo PvP in one, with others on the field providing tackle and boosts they soak up damage like a sponge and dish out a serious amount of hurt.

For PvE purposes it's fairly easy to set one up that passively tanks silly amounts of incoming damage while still being able to put the hurt on NPC's.

I don't burn bridges, I merely steal a bolt a day.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#80 - 2017-02-14 00:55:57 UTC
Quinn Hatfield wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Quinn Hatfield wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Man up already and train those shield tanks.



No. I'm a Gallente player. And I choose to remain at least loosely tied to that. Which means armor tanks only.
Being stubborn is your problem. I exclusively fly Gallente yet my shield tanking skills are almost maxed out because every little helps.



Fine. You have that option. It's stupid, given the recent changes, but ok. You want a shield tanked Gallente ship? Go ahead and die.
The shield Megathron, shield Myrmidon, shield Nereus and shield Brutix would like a word with you


For that matter, other of the Gallente drone ships are usable shield tanked too.