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Sick and tired of shield miners

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#21 - 2017-02-13 22:00:26 UTC
TROLL ALERT!!! TROLL ALERT!!


WE HAVE INCOMING TROLLZ FOR THE LOLZ!!Roll

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Amojin
Doomheim
#22 - 2017-02-13 22:04:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Amojin
'No you wouldn't. Unless that armor tank was stronger than your shield tank, which it should not be. I suppose this stealth-"nerf ganking" thread has been unmasked.' -- Neuntausend

There is no stealth anything here, except that when you gank me, I'd like top put my best foot forward.

I play Gallente. I use armor and hybrid and lots of drones. If you want to gank me, by all means you should, and have fun doing it.

Is it as much fun when I have about 8 skills at 5, armor skills, that I can't use, and instead have lvl3 skills that I use for one ship, the skiff/procurer?

Do you feel like a big man, winning, then?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#23 - 2017-02-13 22:07:16 UTC
Look - all ORE ships are shield and/or hull-tanked. If you have this thing with armor-tanking your ORE ship just do it.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2017-02-13 22:08:37 UTC
Amojin wrote:


I am so overwhelmed with the information you have. The logic you presented is so overwhelming as to be regarded with my utmost resp...

Oh, wait, you didn't have anything...


Nano shield mega will rip and tear its way though just about anything, great small gang ship.
Amojin
Doomheim
#25 - 2017-02-13 22:09:40 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Look - all ORE ships are shield and/or hull-tanked. If you have this thing with armor-tanking your ORE ship just do it.



Not quite. In the real world, if ORE refused to do what I wanted, if enough of us existed, we'd make a company to compete with ORE, with ships that were designed to bonus mining.

We can't do that, in the game. But in reality, it would happen. No, I don't have to use a starter ship with a 100mm plate and a laser, to get by.

This is a flaw in the game. It should be addressed.
Amojin
Doomheim
#26 - 2017-02-13 22:10:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Amojin wrote:


I am so overwhelmed with the information you have. The logic you presented is so overwhelming as to be regarded with my utmost resp...

Oh, wait, you didn't have anything...


Nano shield mega will rip and tear its way though just about anything, great small gang ship.


And does that give me an armor miner and make mining balanced?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#27 - 2017-02-13 22:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
This thread is much ado about nothing. I can't even believe I wasted my time reading this....

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2017-02-13 22:11:55 UTC
Amojin wrote:


And does that give me an armor miner and make mining balanced?


Barges have bigger issues than a lack of armour tanking.
Amojin
Doomheim
#29 - 2017-02-13 22:13:15 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
This thread is much ado about nothing.



That's right, it is, to a lot of you. Those that just shrug your shoulders, buy the shield skills, and move on. It's much ado about nothing.

But to some of us, newbies that only have armor skills, stubborn assholes like me that will extract every shield skill we have when an armor miner comes out, people who think it's laughably inane to use Gallente Starship Engineering to construct a Caldari Hull?

Maybe it's just what it is.
Amojin
Doomheim
#30 - 2017-02-13 22:14:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Amojin wrote:


And does that give me an armor miner and make mining balanced?


Barges have bigger issues than a lack of armour tanking.



I'm sure they do, but they're fair issues. They're other issues. This is the one I have a problem with. Someone else can argue the 'bigger' issues. I care about THIS issue.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#31 - 2017-02-13 22:14:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Just armor-tank your ship then. I really think you're just looking for something to complain about. Good grief...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Amojin
Doomheim
#32 - 2017-02-13 22:18:22 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Just armor-tank your ship then. I really think you're just looking for something to complain about. Good grief...



Nobody goes against bonuses and base tank values unless the slots are there. Like I said, good grief, yourself, I'm not armor tanking something with a base of 1200 armor, when it has 6 mids and a shield base of 1800.

Same, same, but in reverse with these mining ships.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#33 - 2017-02-13 22:31:46 UTC
Amojin wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
This thread is much ado about nothing.



That's right, it is, to a lot of you. Those that just shrug your shoulders, buy the shield skills, and move on. It's much ado about nothing.

But to some of us, newbies that only have armor skills, stubborn assholes like me that will extract every shield skill we have when an armor miner comes out, people who think it's laughably inane to use Gallente Starship Engineering to construct a Caldari Hull?

Maybe it's just what it is.



You keep using the word "us." Short of a multiple personality disorder, it seems you're the only one bothered by this.

KB

Dum Spiro Spero
Amojin
Doomheim
#34 - 2017-02-13 22:34:56 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
This thread is much ado about nothing.



That's right, it is, to a lot of you. Those that just shrug your shoulders, buy the shield skills, and move on. It's much ado about nothing.

But to some of us, newbies that only have armor skills, stubborn assholes like me that will extract every shield skill we have when an armor miner comes out, people who think it's laughably inane to use Gallente Starship Engineering to construct a Caldari Hull?

Maybe it's just what it is.



You keep using the word "us." Short of a multiple personality disorder, it seems you're the only one bothered by this.

KB


I get to use 'us' because half of us start out our 'careers' armor tanking.

That's about half the population, assuming that people join the game equally across factions.

A lot of them, I'm sure, just shut the hell up and accept, this is all I have, all I can do. I'll make the best of it.

Judging from what I have seen, since I didn't ***** about this or post about it without checking, as a matter of netiquette, it seems that the half that loses just sits there and takes it.

Well, surprise! I'm the asshat that doesn't, and says, yo, what up, fool?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2017-02-13 22:41:03 UTC
Amojin wrote:
KaarBaak wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
This thread is much ado about nothing.



That's right, it is, to a lot of you. Those that just shrug your shoulders, buy the shield skills, and move on. It's much ado about nothing.

But to some of us, newbies that only have armor skills, stubborn assholes like me that will extract every shield skill we have when an armor miner comes out, people who think it's laughably inane to use Gallente Starship Engineering to construct a Caldari Hull?

Maybe it's just what it is.



You keep using the word "us." Short of a multiple personality disorder, it seems you're the only one bothered by this.

KB


I get to use 'us' because half of us start out our 'careers' armor tanking.

That's about half the population, assuming that people join the game equally across factions.

A lot of them, I'm sure, just shut the hell up and accept, this is all I have, all I can do. I'll make the best of it.

Judging from what I have seen, since I didn't ***** about this or post about it without checking, as a matter of netiquette, it seems that the half that loses just sits there and takes it.

Well, surprise! I'm the asshat that doesn't, and says, yo, what up, fool?


As a gal player I have no issue with barges being shield tankers. I would have prefered them to be armour because that would have forced miners to make a choice between tank, yeild or cargo but CCP decided to make that choice for miners.
Amojin
Doomheim
#36 - 2017-02-13 22:44:06 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Amojin wrote:
KaarBaak wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
This thread is much ado about nothing.



That's right, it is, to a lot of you. Those that just shrug your shoulders, buy the shield skills, and move on. It's much ado about nothing.

But to some of us, newbies that only have armor skills, stubborn assholes like me that will extract every shield skill we have when an armor miner comes out, people who think it's laughably inane to use Gallente Starship Engineering to construct a Caldari Hull?

Maybe it's just what it is.



You keep using the word "us." Short of a multiple personality disorder, it seems you're the only one bothered by this.

KB


I get to use 'us' because half of us start out our 'careers' armor tanking.

That's about half the population, assuming that people join the game equally across factions.

A lot of them, I'm sure, just shut the hell up and accept, this is all I have, all I can do. I'll make the best of it.

Judging from what I have seen, since I didn't ***** about this or post about it without checking, as a matter of netiquette, it seems that the half that loses just sits there and takes it.

Well, surprise! I'm the asshat that doesn't, and says, yo, what up, fool?


As a gal player I have no issue with barges being shield tankers. I would have prefered them to be armour because that would have forced miners to make a choice between tank, yeild or cargo but CCP decided to make that choice for miners.



Well, I'm sorry, I don't agree. CCP has, in every other case, decided on equity. I'm calling them out, in this instance, because it doesn't match with every other action they have taken.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2017-02-13 22:53:22 UTC
Amojin wrote:

Well, I'm sorry, I don't agree. CCP has, in every other case, decided on equity. I'm calling them out, in this instance, because it doesn't match with every other action they have taken.


cant shield tank a freighter.

also cant armour tank a lot of caldari cruisers and expect good results. Amarr ships also don't like shield tanks slapped on them. Guristas ships don't do well with armour tanks.
David Therman
#38 - 2017-02-13 22:58:38 UTC
A few things to note;

1. You've posted this in the wrong place... Features and Ideas is down the corridor, 3rd door on the right.
2. You've posted this thread in the murky cesspit of fiends, dishonourable gentlemen, bridge--dwellers and sweaty fedo's otherwise known as General Discussion... and the denizens have already said hello, isn't it a nice place?
3. You're the first person I've seen complain about this problem of mining ships being predominately shield-tanked... which indicates that this problem is really not a problem at all.

Honestly, if CCP introduced a mining barge/exhumer with 4 low-slots that was intended to be armor tanked, I can almost guarantee that most people will buy it and slap 4 mining upgrades on it. I say almost, because the way things are going the majority of miners will be sat in Rorqs before something like that gets developed.
Amojin
Doomheim
#39 - 2017-02-13 22:58:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Amojin wrote:

Well, I'm sorry, I don't agree. CCP has, in every other case, decided on equity. I'm calling them out, in this instance, because it doesn't match with every other action they have taken.


cant shield tank a freighter.

also cant armour tank a lot of caldari cruisers and expect good results. Amarr ships also don't like shield tanks slapped on them. Guristas ships don't do well with armour tanks.


You are mistaking, with the exception of freighters, roles for tanks. Of course amarr shops don't like shield tanks. They are, like gallente, an armor race.

The pirate ships are where you have crossover. But they, being pirate ships, faction ships, are not, in themselves, a ROLE - they're a manifestation of a role.

In every manifestation of role, other than mining, whether you need a regular faction or a pirate ship, you can find one that tanks your way...

How about a pirate miner line with an armor tank?
Amojin
Doomheim
#40 - 2017-02-13 23:01:29 UTC
David Therman wrote:
A few things to note;

1. You've posted this in the wrong place... Features and Ideas is down the corridor, 3rd door on the right.
2. You've posted this thread in the murky cesspit of fiends, dishonourable gentlemen, bridge--dwellers and sweaty fedo's otherwise known as General Discussion... and the denizens have already said hello, isn't it a nice place?
3. You're the first person I've seen complain about this problem of mining ships being predominately shield-tanked... which indicates that this problem is really not a problem at all.

Honestly, if CCP introduced a mining barge/exhumer with 4 low-slots that was intended to be armor tanked, I can almost guarantee that most people will buy it and slap 4 mining upgrades on it. I say almost, because the way things are going the majority of miners will be sat in Rorqs before something like that gets developed.


No, I've posted it in the right place. So far, it's just general conversation, about game mechanics.

Features and such is much more advanced, people to balance the game around the changes, etc, etc, people smarter than me.

I just know when I'm being cheated, and I know, in general, what I want. Someone smarter can balance it out, I',m sure.

Your 3 is really interesting. I also noted this. I looked for other posts to respond to, but I, like you, found none. Very interesting. Very fascinating how much they were willing to spend up two or more months, to just keep the peace...