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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#11761 - 2017-02-12 19:29:52 UTC
Now what id that supposed to mean?
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11762 - 2017-02-12 19:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
We are doomed?

I think it was a warning. Experimental AI capable of feeling sadness or happiness, but without any reasons to be happy in their state, that would be like being damned by your creators. Who knows what that AI would do to the people around it.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#11763 - 2017-02-12 19:44:08 UTC
There are already people kike that. People are way scarier than the AI.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11764 - 2017-02-12 20:03:44 UTC
Hmm, but it goes even deeper, I think.

Do people have a right to develop an artificial person level of intelligence? Do we need it? The reason we could do something, doesnt mean we should. If it would mean the AI would be suffering, then who would you blame for its suffering. Creators or the artificial person, that its incomplete? How would you feel if your child would be feeling a constant pain, and it would be you, who dropped it on its head in childhood? I see it very much the same like producing that abomination. Would you then switch it off? Like.... kill it, pressing a button? Shocked
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11765 - 2017-02-12 20:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
And what if the AI would not feel like a person, and be a complete psychopath, that would be even scarier! It could analyse and become aware that you could believe its not a psychopath, fake its feelings, and then, BAM!, it would take over the world and make everyone its slaves and become an ultimate DALEK.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11766 - 2017-02-12 20:19:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
I mean, I feel like it is I who should rule the whole world, not some underdeveloped AI.

Eh... just joking. I would never had enough stamina to get to work like that. So it would be a mess worse than its now. P
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#11767 - 2017-02-12 20:52:13 UTC
You're overthinking it too much. All the traits you describe are already present in people.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11768 - 2017-02-12 21:15:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
I think we are not overthinking it enough, because there are things people are not capable of, and AI is. At this point! Shocked

Combining it with human innate flawed characteristic could make things a lot more complicated.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#11769 - 2017-02-13 03:43:23 UTC
I'm still not too worried, considering the last three decades.
Yiole Gionglao
#11770 - 2017-02-13 07:14:54 UTC
Last night I was too tired and too late to say nighties, so...

Mornings lovelies! Smile

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an alpha / And so it's you

Yiole Gionglao
#11771 - 2017-02-13 07:24:21 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think we are not overthinking it enough, because there are things people are not capable of, and AI is. At this point! Shocked

Combining it with human innate flawed characteristic could make things a lot more complicated.


Whatever AI is made, it will be built to match a specific defnition of "Intelligence". And provided there's no consensus on a scientific defintion of Intelligence, probably we're bound to building specialyzed partial imitations of intelligence, increasinlgy inaccurate and inductor of the uncanny valley as they step into the non-rational part of humanity. At one point, non-intelelcutla AIs woudl become somehtign which humans could get used to, but not an actual imitation of mankind.

Not to mention the efforts to manipulate AI in favor of specific agendas. Picture "scientificlaly accurate" racist AIs, political bigot AIs, religious zealot AIs...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an alpha / And so it's you

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#11772 - 2017-02-13 07:29:58 UTC
Today is the best day ever. Yeeeeah, харашо!
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11773 - 2017-02-13 07:48:35 UTC
Timezone o/

Considering past decades, I am slightly worried. But considering the future decades, I am really worried.

AI can now defeat people in poker and other games where humans had advantage, where AI has not the full information, where lie is all you got. If in future you could not lie to a computer, because it would see thru you, then what would you have? Even now humans dont have so many advantages they had. Humans are starting to become obsolete in so many areas of life, jobs are lost to AI all over the world! \o/

What if some guy would make AI that would make strategic decisions for his country? And he would use it for war, and AI will prove invincible? Matrix will be our only salvation, we will have to surrender and cooperate to survive, like inferior species, like a cat is for us, we will become pets for silicon entity. Shocked
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#11774 - 2017-02-13 09:16:46 UTC
Life always find a way. A way to chaos, that is. If it's AI induced this time around as opposed to someone pulling out the control rods them overloading the reactor to see how much output they'd get, so be it.
Taishoku Mayaki
Feeling Cute Today
#11775 - 2017-02-13 09:29:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Taishoku Mayaki
Good timezone all,

Had a lovely weekend, and my Rorqual comes off build on the 15th! Very much looking forward to it.

Also debating looking for an artist who will accept a few bill in exchange for drawing Taishoku. See if I can find someone, be nice to have a picture for lols.

Reading up on the conversation above, there is a dire need for people to adapt to the machine age. Primarily robots can build machines so having the skills to build them become irrelevant, so you want to retrain into the ability to design machines and such.

Software can handle most tasks that don't require a visual check. In the world of testing that I live in the main stuff we do is the visual stuff, as our code can handle the rest. We're working on a number of camera's that are sensitive enough to handle visual work. But we're having to cheat a little by inputting binary data to allow the machine to count frames. This is done using mirrored dots on a screen.

To stay relevant in the testing world you need to adapt from being the test interface to being able to write and manage the test interface. It's very unlikely that we are going to find ourselves in a world where code can write code. It's at that point you end up with an actual AI.

And we're a very long way away from it.

There is also very little advantage in a fully self aware automated program that can write code for itself or make its own decisions. Because you can't control it, you may develop a machine and want it to generate highly efficient logarithm's or conduct advance millisecond analysis on audio video syncs or just to observe the day to day effects of doppler on a broadcast.

But the AI may just want to write filthy books or spam twitter instead. You won't be able to do a thing about it. So I don't think AI is a big concern and on an apocalyptic note ... If it decides to conquer the world, just pull the plug on it.

"Right-O, lets get undocked and see what falls off the ship"

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11776 - 2017-02-13 10:00:07 UTC
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:

ah, the good old eve... when the thorax was white, the phobos was pimpin' pink, caldari had red stripes, minmatar had real rust and people were mining in battleships and scythes.

that's right.

mining. with scythes.

I sure miss the good old mining gangs with an iteron 5 for a hauler. and jetcans for me to steal.

you should post this on reddit.

Very nice Nostalgia pictures, definitely before my time.

However I do admit to mining with a Scythe in the first couple years of playing this game.

Big smile



DMC
Taishoku Mayaki
Feeling Cute Today
#11777 - 2017-02-13 10:08:03 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:

ah, the good old eve... when the thorax was white, the phobos was pimpin' pink, caldari had red stripes, minmatar had real rust and people were mining in battleships and scythes.

that's right.

mining. with scythes.

I sure miss the good old mining gangs with an iteron 5 for a hauler. and jetcans for me to steal.

you should post this on reddit.

Very nice Nostalgia pictures, definitely before my time.

However I do admit to mining with a Scythe in the first couple years of playing this game.

Big smile



DMC


I mined with a bestower, leave it in a belt on a big veldspar node to make dank isk while I was out for dinner or going to school. Ah, poor old 2004.

"Right-O, lets get undocked and see what falls off the ship"

Matar Ronin
#11778 - 2017-02-13 11:20:03 UTC
I will read what all you LAGLeers have to say after I catch a few hours sleep. The life of an insomniac.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Matar Ronin
#11779 - 2017-02-13 11:21:39 UTC
It keeps me out of trouble, because I can always out work everyone who needs eight hours sleep every night.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11780 - 2017-02-13 11:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Quote:
there is a dire need for people to adapt to the machine age.

But Taishoku, that is just what I am talking about. It looks like it started and people are already changing and accepting that. It is happening. The moment we will give up our freedoms, the moment we will decide to give machines the power to decide for us, the moment we will have to adapt to a world where AI will dictate us the energy consumption, that all means we will be defeated, and its will be AI that could pull the plug on us.\o/

Machines should adapt to us. We need strong, durable machines and computers, healthy food, a lot of free time to laze around and a medicine that would heal us when we are ill. And energy should be served to a man on a golden plate, free of charge. Everything else should not matter when it comes to machines. We shouldnt make machines more intelligent. We should make us more intelligent, more wise.