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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2017-02-10 20:28:35 UTC
Siginek wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Siginek wrote:
suicide ganking isnt problem ... problem is that suicide gankers are untouchable ... their ships cost is close to none and they are ignored by most npc so they can freely roam trough space ... i dont mind suicide gankers but i think their actiosn shouldnt be free as they are now ... ATM you can **** off many players and it costs you nothing now adn nothing to future becasue you have nothign to lose ... this should change ... gankers shouldnt be allowed into npc stations and their ships should be much more expensive (maybe few sec invulnerability after you get attacked by ganker so he has to build ship that can survive long enough so you get out of your invul timer) ... basically - if you wanna pirate in zone that should be safe for everyone, you should pay for it big price and not be untouchable as it is now


There is no need for that. If you want to engage gankers, you already can and killing their ships increase the cost of ganks since they have to account for lost DPS if you manage to burn one or more of them. They can adapt by adding more man power to their gank fleet but so can you in your anti gank fleet. The "problem" is always the same, too few people are actually willing to do the "hard" work of trying something. Catalyst aren't exactly tanky so burning them down is not super hard.




Some how ppl think it's unbalanced of they lose 30+ to one


no, soem ppl think its unbalanced when ganker can kill 50+ with ship that costs oen and you just cant effectively punish him for that even if you had all time for that ... because one gank can feed ganker with another 20+ ships ... and if he sees you want to kill him he can just dock and you cant do anything about it ... gl trying to kill one ganker 50 times to make it worth not to mention how many of them is there


Then don't be a dumbass.

No really, stop being an idiot and you'll be fine.

Would you take all your money and wealth, all of it as in taking out a line of credit on things like any equity in your house, selling your car, emptying any retirement account, etc. and go to Vegas, walk up to one of the Roullete tables and the Belagio and put it all on the number 5? No?!?!?!?

Well don't do the equivalent with your ****ing freighter.

Do you need any other life lessons? Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
WARBOIS
Gold Frog Hauling
#42 - 2017-02-11 08:16:30 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Dude... EVE is a dystopia.

As in... everything is "dysfunctional" on some level.


And the DEVs made it that way.

That is what makes the game interesting!

WITNESSED
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2017-02-12 05:35:37 UTC
So, what's a flycatcher bpo go for anyway?

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2017-02-12 05:40:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
So, what's a flycatcher bpo go for anyway?


40-75 billion ISK....

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=468852

This suggests more than 40 billion,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=463043&p=2

And this suggests 60 billion...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6382091

Needless to say, the guy moving a flycatcher BPO in an anti-tanked freighter was an unbelievably imprudent player. He deserved what he got. And ironically, it did not not drop...-1 t2 BPO in game.

Well done all around.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Lugh Crow-Slave
#45 - 2017-02-12 11:02:21 UTC
lol wait... this was about a t2 bpo drop


oh this is gold!

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#46 - 2017-02-12 12:18:27 UTC
and here we have the average bad idea thread. note that the OP has no idea what he is talking about.
IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#47 - 2017-02-12 14:25:49 UTC
Developers do nothing to make gankers's life more difficult.

Of course it looks stupid, when same character kills again and again, and noone does anything. NPC customs, station owners, all just sit and watch how "criminals" fly there. And I like humanism of Concord, that never kills pods of gankers.

So, ganking is allowed by devs as entertaiment for players that are not smart enough for industry, trading, mining e.t.c. but can not afford real PvP. So they play simplified version of PvP and think that they are tough guys.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2017-02-12 14:37:16 UTC
Wait, you have to be smart to do industry, trading and (I can feel the credibilty being sucked from my typing...) mining?

None of the above is rocket science. Not even the indy stuff that literally requires you to train Rocket Science.

I don't much like gankers but it is still PvP no matter wether you view it as unskilled etc. Rather than moan here about a valid allowed element oc the game it would be better to educate other players in game. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, that's ship *or* cargo. If transporting something valuable weigh the risks and bring friends if required. Scout the route. Use a travelceptor for small high value things like (just as an example) tech 2 BPO's (which I sincerely hope got destroyed and not dropped).

If you don't want to be ganked take the appropriate precautions.
IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#49 - 2017-02-12 14:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

I don't much like gankers but it is still PvP no matter wether you view it as unskilled etc. Rather than moan here about a valid allowed element oc the game it would be better to educate other players in game. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, that's ship *or* cargo. If transporting something valuable weigh the risks and bring friends if required. Scout the route. Use a travelceptor for small high value things like (just as an example) tech 2 BPO's (which I sincerely hope got destroyed and not dropped).

If you don't want to be ganked take the appropriate precautions.


Now ganking is just a sort of trolling. Blowing freighter to steal 100 miillion cargo - it is ok, it has a sense. To make ambush and to steal valuable BPOs blowing a shuttle near an invention lab - okey. But 90% of ganking is stupid blowing up of barges and ventures, when ganker looses more than a "victim". Just to copypaste poor trolling in the chat and to score a kill. Is legalised trolling good for the game? I don't think so.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#50 - 2017-02-12 15:02:57 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

I don't much like gankers but it is still PvP no matter wether you view it as unskilled etc. Rather than moan here about a valid allowed element oc the game it would be better to educate other players in game. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, that's ship *or* cargo. If transporting something valuable weigh the risks and bring friends if required. Scout the route. Use a travelceptor for small high value things like (just as an example) tech 2 BPO's (which I sincerely hope got destroyed and not dropped).

If you don't want to be ganked take the appropriate precautions.


Now ganking is just a sort of trolling. Blowing freighter to steal 100 miillion cargo - it is ok, it has a sense. To make ambush and to steal valuable BPOs blowing a shuttle near an invention lab - okey. But 90% of ganking is stupid blowing up of barges and ventures, when ganker looses more than a "victim". Just to copypaste poor trolling in the chat and to score a kill. Is legalised trolling good for the game? I don't think so.



Not true at all particularly in hs a green kill board can be the difference between a 4b contract and no contact. Though I can't expect some one who only has the intelligence to mine industry or trade to understand this higher level stuff

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Van Doe
#51 - 2017-02-12 15:12:06 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

I don't much like gankers but it is still PvP no matter wether you view it as unskilled etc. Rather than moan here about a valid allowed element oc the game it would be better to educate other players in game. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, that's ship *or* cargo. If transporting something valuable weigh the risks and bring friends if required. Scout the route. Use a travelceptor for small high value things like (just as an example) tech 2 BPO's (which I sincerely hope got destroyed and not dropped).

If you don't want to be ganked take the appropriate precautions.


Now ganking is just a sort of trolling. Blowing freighter to steal 100 miillion cargo - it is ok, it has a sense. To make ambush and to steal valuable BPOs blowing a shuttle near an invention lab - okey. But 90% of ganking is stupid blowing up of barges and ventures, when ganker looses more than a "victim". Just to copypaste poor trolling in the chat and to score a kill. Is legalised trolling good for the game? I don't think so.

There used to be a old saying back in the days where we used to ride dinosaurs.
Don't feed the troll.

There is trolling in every major game title.
C&C, bf, Cs, Minecraft, what ever you can imagine.
Troll get feed by your lack of awareness.
Especially threads like this make them slurp up your tears.

I'm not trolling, I create content for everyone to enjoy. afk cloaky in a system near you while posting in this forum.
IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#52 - 2017-02-12 16:30:40 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

I don't much like gankers but it is still PvP no matter wether you view it as unskilled etc. Rather than moan here about a valid allowed element oc the game it would be better to educate other players in game. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, that's ship *or* cargo. If transporting something valuable weigh the risks and bring friends if required. Scout the route. Use a travelceptor for small high value things like (just as an example) tech 2 BPO's (which I sincerely hope got destroyed and not dropped).

If you don't want to be ganked take the appropriate precautions.


Now ganking is just a sort of trolling. Blowing freighter to steal 100 miillion cargo - it is ok, it has a sense. To make ambush and to steal valuable BPOs blowing a shuttle near an invention lab - okey. But 90% of ganking is stupid blowing up of barges and ventures, when ganker looses more than a "victim". Just to copypaste poor trolling in the chat and to score a kill. Is legalised trolling good for the game? I don't think so.



Not true at all particularly in hs a green kill board can be the difference between a 4b contract and no contact. Though I can't expect some one who only has the intelligence to mine industry or trade to understand this higher level stuff


Than it's a gamedesign drawback, if kill board can be made green by suicide. It is exchange 1:1, it shouln't change kill ratio.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2017-02-12 18:09:58 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Developers do nothing to make gankers's life more difficult.

Buffs to CONCORD, reduction to response times and removal of insurance payouts prove you wrong.

Quote:
Of course it looks stupid, when same character kills again and again, and noone does anything.

You're as much to blame as anyone else. This is a player-driven game. If you don't like what's going on, be the change you want to see. If you at least understand the paradigm in play, you'll appreciate where the problem with suicide ganking really lies.

Quote:
So, ganking is allowed by devs as entertaiment for players that are not smart enough for industry, trading, mining e.t.c. but can not afford real PvP. So they play simplified version of PvP and think that they are tough guys.

That's a pretty poor way to describe people getting blown up by gankers. They made mistakes, but it's a little mean to belittle them, don't you think?

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2017-02-12 18:15:27 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Now ganking is just a sort of trolling. Blowing freighter to steal 100 miillion cargo - it is ok, it has a sense. To make ambush and to steal valuable BPOs blowing a shuttle near an invention lab - okey. But 90% of ganking is stupid blowing up of barges and ventures, when ganker looses more than a "victim".

Why must the only motive for space violence be money? Why can't it be political, strategic or ideological? We, as players, are free to exert our will in any way we choose, as long as it remains in the sandbox.

Quote:
Is [ganking] good for the game? I don't think so.

It's much, much better than the alternative. As long as there's no such thing as safety in space, EVE will survive. Once exceptions start popping up, the death of EVE will soon follow.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#55 - 2017-02-12 21:05:05 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Than it's a gamedesign drawback, if kill board can be made green by suicide. It is exchange 1:1, it shouln't change kill ratio.

Killboards exist outside of EVE and the DEVs control.

How people want to format their kill-death ratio is up to them.

Not that it matters much though.
At the end of the day, people are looking more at how much damage (ISK-wise) you inflicted.

How did you Veterans start?
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2017-02-12 21:30:43 UTC
Just going to leave this here.

The Mutuality of Freighter Ganking

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Lugh Crow-Slave
#57 - 2017-02-13 01:44:09 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

I don't much like gankers but it is still PvP no matter wether you view it as unskilled etc. Rather than moan here about a valid allowed element oc the game it would be better to educate other players in game. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, that's ship *or* cargo. If transporting something valuable weigh the risks and bring friends if required. Scout the route. Use a travelceptor for small high value things like (just as an example) tech 2 BPO's (which I sincerely hope got destroyed and not dropped).

If you don't want to be ganked take the appropriate precautions.


Now ganking is just a sort of trolling. Blowing freighter to steal 100 miillion cargo - it is ok, it has a sense. To make ambush and to steal valuable BPOs blowing a shuttle near an invention lab - okey. But 90% of ganking is stupid blowing up of barges and ventures, when ganker looses more than a "victim". Just to copypaste poor trolling in the chat and to score a kill. Is legalised trolling good for the game? I don't think so.



Not true at all particularly in hs a green kill board can be the difference between a 4b contract and no contact. Though I can't expect some one who only has the intelligence to mine industry or trade to understand this higher level stuff


Than it's a gamedesign drawback, if kill board can be made green by suicide. It is exchange 1:1, it shouln't change kill ratio.


lol you really don't understand much about eve do you?

no one gives a damn about your K/D just your isk K/L and to some extent points

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#58 - 2017-02-13 08:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Isk K/L of a typical ganker is poor. I don't tell about large gangs who attack freighters. but a typical ganker (newbie that losses PvP but wants to kill anyone and look cool) looses 10 millions to get 1-2 strip miners or mining upgrade. If he is luck, he gains 3-5 millions. Equal to miner's income for 1 full ore bay. No rational reasons. (and no political or ideological))

And some stupid gankers waste up to 4 catalysts for one t1 barge. Than they write something offensive in the chat, make screenshots and share them with their mates to show how good they trolled a victim. No gameplay reasons, just trolling of other players. And that Code "roleplayers"? Their chat spammers? Just trolling. They admit that they ask for 10 millions just because developers asked them to make some gameplay reasons for ganking, and they don't really need such small amount of isks. I can make a screenshot where code troll admits that.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#59 - 2017-02-13 13:49:37 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Isk K/L of a typical ganker is poor. I don't tell about large gangs who attack freighters. but a typical ganker (newbie that losses PvP but wants to kill anyone and look cool) looses 10 millions to get 1-2 strip miners or mining upgrade. If he is luck, he gains 3-5 millions. Equal to miner's income for 1 full ore bay. No rational reasons. (and no political or ideological))

And some stupid gankers waste up to 4 catalysts for one t1 barge. Than they write something offensive in the chat, make screenshots and share them with their mates to show how good they trolled a victim. No gameplay reasons, just trolling of other players. And that Code "roleplayers"? Their chat spammers? Just trolling. They admit that they ask for 10 millions just because developers asked them to make some gameplay reasons for ganking, and they don't really need such small amount of isks. I can make a screenshot where code troll admits that.


If you think there's something wrong with that, you're not playing the right game.

Eve gives players the freedom so they can shoot you for whatever reason they want. They can wardec you for whatever reason they like. Steal if they want. Scam if they want. Waste as many catalysts on you as they want.

Players come to eve because there is no where else you can get this freedom.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2017-02-13 17:39:12 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:


lol you really don't understand much about eve do you?

no one gives a damn about your K/D just your isk K/L and to some extent points


And then you have people like me, KB are entirely useless to judge my brand of crazy.