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[NEWS] Quarantine Worsens...

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Ilan Ardishapur
Purity of the Throne
#21 - 2017-02-10 20:04:57 UTC
Casserina Leshrac wrote:
This becomes unacceptable with each passing hour. The elevator can be raise to better position (if it can be found). If needs be I will come and bring one my industrials to the thing up to a better position.

Batteries can be replaced and charged from the outside and we use drones to transport supplies to keep them alive longer.

ISK will not solve this situation.


Mighty kind for a Sabik dog.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2017-02-10 20:46:41 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Considering that the tether alone coming down will do ridiculous amounts of damage to anything in its line of impact, I'd have to agree.


Uh-- is there any reason to think that the charges are at the top of the tether, rather than the bottom? It's held taut by centrifugal force anyway, implying it'll snap upward if cut below, so it seems like all that damage would be a really good reason to cut the tether at the base and let the forces involved, plus the platform's thrusters, tow it into higher orbit.

Might make it easier to reconnect, too.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#23 - 2017-02-10 21:11:41 UTC
The report isn't entirely clear on these things, but I know some space elevator designs have multiple space-side platforms. Hell, multiple tiers of them on different levels. While infuriatingly vague, that report did not say for certain that the tether itself was at any point removed, nor the 'counterweight'.

I haven't checked the registries for when this one was set up, but it should be child's play to seal off and remove a space elevator platform without the rest of the thing ending up in re-entry, unless it's a horribly outdated and poorly designed one.
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
#24 - 2017-02-10 21:12:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Casserina Leshrac
Ilan Ardishapur wrote:
Casserina Leshrac wrote:
This becomes unacceptable with each passing hour. The elevator can be raise to better position (if it can be found). If needs be I will come and bring one my industrials to the thing up to a better position.

Batteries can be replaced and charged from the outside and we use drones to transport supplies to keep them alive longer.

ISK will not solve this situation.


Mighty kind for a Sabik dog.


Indeed. More kindness from a Sani Sabik then Imperial traitors.

Just remember if it can kill them. Then it will kill us.

We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#25 - 2017-02-10 21:14:56 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Considering that the tether alone coming down will do ridiculous amounts of damage to anything in its line of impact, I'd have to agree.


Uh-- is there any reason to think that the charges are at the top of the tether, rather than the bottom? It's held taut by centrifugal force anyway, implying it'll snap upward if cut below, so it seems like all that damage would be a really good reason to cut the tether at the base and let the forces involved, plus the platform's thrusters, tow it into higher orbit.

Might make it easier to reconnect, too.

Miz brings up a good point. I couldn't begin to say how it's designed, and that will determine a lot of what happens after it's disconnected.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2017-02-10 21:21:41 UTC
That was how I assumed this transpired. Sever the elevator's planet-side tether, use station-keeping boosters to raise the orbit of the counterweight above geostationary enough so that the far end of the tether doesn't threaten anything on the ground (ideally as high as practical to keep as much of the tether out of the atmosphere as possible), and plan for the possible recovery and reattachment of the tether once the crisis ends.

The immediate concern would be what and how many objects are in orbit which could interfere with this approach. Because the elevator would have been assumed to always be in its geostationary position there might not have been too great care about cluttering the higher orbit with satellites or other objects. Since the authorities performed the severing anyway either the upper orbit was relatively clear, the situation was too dire not to risk it, or they did not adjust the orbit.

Longer term concerns about inhabitant welfare are serious but, hopefully, not hopeless. As previously stated there are a number of ways that even a sparsely equipped elevator counterweight (that, for some reason, lacks independent power generation and limited consumable stocks and production capability for water, food, and oxygen) can be remotely supplied in a manner that ensure sufficient supplies for those on board indefinitely.

For all the oddness of the situation what has effectively happened is that the elevator has been temporarily converted into an orbital station or ship.

With all the modern screening and containment technologies and methods available, however, one wonders what in heaven could concern the authorities so much that they would risk the loss of the elevator in order to maximize containment. I mean, after all, it was an elevator with an easily controlled, centralized single area of entry and exit. Severing it was the most extreme form of containment available short of actually destroying it.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#27 - 2017-02-10 22:09:35 UTC
Well, if you need to find me, I'll be in a safe-spotted Apoc for the next few years.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#28 - 2017-02-10 22:18:05 UTC
If you want a good vantage spot, let me know. I've got deep safes at 'ground zero' and will have to leave them vacant by tomorrow evening.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2017-02-10 23:24:55 UTC
With as quickly as that escalated, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that they were loading some dreads with phased plasma XL to do a bit of decontamination... I hope it doesn't come to that.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Victoria Grey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2017-02-11 06:47:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Victoria Grey
This is all starting to seem very suspicious. I've been doing my research but I can only get so far with the holoreels and and other sources that can be dredged up on the basic overview of the systems.

Has anyone seen anything come in or out of Muttokon? I haven't and I've been frequenting it. For all the Scope reporting of Republic vessels coming in and out I don't see a damned thing! Something seems weird to me and I don't like it.

Here's the information and my thoughts on it that I gathered after the initial Scope reporting.

Quote:
I'm in and out of the system when I have the time. I've seen the anti-biotics that have been left behind, good call. I've entered low-orbit and have seen no activity on the planet so I can't find this elevator but I still hope and search.

On a similar note, the Scope has reported two other incidents in New Eden that have some peculiar similarities and weird discrepancies:

A level 4 Quarantine of a Freedom Extension owned Elevator on Muttokon II, Molden Heath (Matari Space).
A cordoned of a Zainou medical building following a crash landing of a mysterious frigate on Oijanen II, The Forge (State Space).
A secret narcotics raid of an unknown bunker by Syndicate space on Yveve II, Solitude (Federal Space).

- All are in the second planet of the System.
- Every planet is Temperate and scans show can hold complex life.
- Each system is in a backwater low-sec empire space system (though a diff empire each)
- Each system has ZERO stations (super back-water).
- Each thing happened in secret and were only reported after the fact.
Oddities:
- The systems are all far (kind of) from each other with the closest being Muttokon & Oijanen (19 jumps and you have to go way the hell to Amarr space and back inwards to do so.)

There has to be a connection.


Has anyone been to Oijanen II or Yveve II? What have you seen?

Another interesting similarity: There is military intervention in all three events. Could wormholes be the reason they are so far spaced? Could this have to do with Alpha-Clone technology?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2017-02-11 15:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Victoria Grey wrote:
Has anyone seen anything come in or out of Muttokon? I haven't and I've been frequenting it. For all the Scope reporting of Republic vessels coming in and out I don't see a damned thing! Something seems weird to me and I don't like it.


It's been a little apparent for a while that there's a whole baseline-spacer society we barely see unless somebody flags it for our attention. The systems around us are abubble with human life and activity; we just don't get to see most of it. How many asteroid colonies have you visited that have obviously been there for decades at least, but usually don't appear on sensors and scanners? How many orbital habitats?

People live relatively peacefully or deal with various small to middling crises out of our sight, and it seems that's kind of how the powers that be want it. We just get called in when there's a real problem that's worth killing with a free-willed weapon of mass destruction.

Probably we can't find this space elevator or the activity surrounding it because it's not infrastructure we interact with directly and nobody in charge wants us to find it.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#32 - 2017-02-11 15:22:52 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Victoria Grey wrote:
Has anyone seen anything come in or out of Muttokon? I haven't and I've been frequenting it. For all the Scope reporting of Republic vessels coming in and out I don't see a damned thing! Something seems weird to me and I don't like it.


It's been a little apparent for a while that there's a whole baseline-spacer society we barely see unless somebody flags it for our attention. The systems around us are abubble with human life and activity; we just don't get to see most of it. How many asteroid colonies have you visited that have obviously been there for decades at least, but usually don't appear on sensors and scanners? How many orbital habitats?

People live relatively peacefully or deal with various small to middling crises out of our sight, and it seems that's kind of how the powers that be want it. We just get called in when there's a real problem that's worth killing with a free-willed weapon of mass destruction.

Probably we can't find this space elevator or the activity surrounding it because it's not infrastructure we interact with directly and nobody in charge wants us to find it.

We see what the firmware in our ships, heads and sensor networks lets us. Frankly, that's likely for the best.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Hetu Hegirin
Doomheim
#33 - 2017-02-11 22:53:33 UTC
I have contacted Valkear General Elislar on the matter. Whether my words warrant a response will be known soon enough.

I would encourage Republic citizens in good standing to voice your concerns, if you are so inclined.
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