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Dev blog: Monthly Economic Report - January 2017

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2017-02-09 15:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
CCP Quant has compiled the Monthly Economic Report for January 2017.

Enjoy the Monthly Economic Report 2017.
If you want to have a closer look at the numbers, you are welcome to dig into the raw data (29 MB, zipped) for yourself!

As a bonus graph, we have the development of the top 25 corporations since 2012.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
HyperFlareX
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2017-02-09 16:01:08 UTC
Does the mining value include rorquals now?
Luna TheMoonrider
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2017-02-09 16:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Luna TheMoonrider
HyperFlareX wrote:
Does the mining value include rorquals now?

+1

It's really sad if not
Faith Winters
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-02-09 17:14:34 UTC
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Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.


Why?
Hydrium Eternite
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2017-02-09 17:17:57 UTC
HyperFlareX wrote:
Does the mining value include rorquals now?


Going to go ahead and say no just by comparing Delves numbers from the last couple months.
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#6 - 2017-02-09 18:09:06 UTC
The bonus graph... I wish those were active members, otherwise it's not really useful.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#7 - 2017-02-09 18:16:35 UTC
Faith Winters wrote:
Quote:
Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.


Why?


As someone who only ever looked at the regional stats in the first place, I can only assume because the CSM hates us.
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2017-02-09 19:08:35 UTC
Faith Winters wrote:
Quote:
Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.


Why?


Same question - why? It's interesting. What do the (mostly) useless cackle of whiners have to hide?
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#9 - 2017-02-09 20:10:00 UTC
Quote:
Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.

Well played, Council of Nullsec Powerbloc Management, well played.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-02-09 21:03:37 UTC
Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:
Faith Winters wrote:
Quote:
Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.


Why?


Same question - why? It's interesting. What do the (mostly) useless cackle of whiners have to hide?

What to hide? The economic and power situation of their corps, alliances & coalitions? The only reason why the CSM exist for most of the members is to protect their virtual(?) empires and grab advantages from insider information.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Erroch
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
#11 - 2017-02-09 21:32:09 UTC
Instead of hiding it, maybe just delay it a little more? It's always been interesting to watch as this data shifts from one place to another. The information is already fairly vague and gives a good idea of the 'health' of different regions.

These reports and their details are also things I've used to get people interested in the game.

Graph porn is good for the soul.
Accurate, detailed graph porn doubly so.

Yes, it's techincally free intel but in a way so are killboards and the 'statistics' options on the in game map.
Circumstantial Evidence
#12 - 2017-02-09 21:50:17 UTC
Some CSM members have responded on Reddit
Jin'taan wrote:
[–]JintaanCSM 11 - 4 points - an hour ago 
This was - as some have mentioned - made as a non unanimous point, but none of the CSM had any reasonable objections to it. The main issue is that it provides 100% uninterruptable data on how much you are producing in terms of ships, which - given that it also tracks how much you import - lets you get a really good estimate of how many supers are being built. That's kind of not good in terms of raw, free information to be putting out there. How would you guys feel about simply wiping the numbers and ranking the regions, like a scoreboard?

[–]JintaanCSM 11 - 23 minutes ago 
[....] I personally feel like spies getting this sort of data, or having a more direct ingame source would be more compelling gameplay than simply waiting for the monthly update. I'm all for pretty graphs though, and I'm sure once the USTZ CSM piles into this thread they'll be paying attention too. How would you feel about making the graphs somewhat team security-esque and just removing the numbers but showing some form of relative production chart? Or not naming the regions?
Lockefox
EVE Prosper Market Analysis
Prosper Investment Bank
#13 - 2017-02-09 21:53:25 UTC
Quote:
Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.


I unequivocally oppose the removal of regional data in the MER.

There is no meaningful way to reverse engineer the data from other sources, and this data is extremely useful as an economic reporter. Removing the data as a way to shelter the "hyperproductive Delve" is not improving the game.

Keep the MER data open! Do not remove the regional data!
Ronz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2017-02-09 23:07:28 UTC
Quote:
Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.


WTF? Well you may as well just quit sending the damn report as the region info is the only interesting part of it.

Cant believe you listened to this request, im sure the vast majority of players enjoyed reading over these stats and will be very dissapointed by this decision.
ViolentDesire
78934223
#15 - 2017-02-09 23:57:14 UTC
Quote:
Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.


Why? Who requested this? So nullseccers get special treatment by CCP?

I also have a bunch of info that I want hidden.
Daishiknyte
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2017-02-10 03:59:31 UTC
Save the MER!
Circumstantial Evidence
#17 - 2017-02-10 05:34:32 UTC
CCP Guard says: discuss! [link] So far, the non-CSM comments in this forum thread seem in favor of continuing to share region data; it only seems to benefit intel gathering against groups that dominate a region. I think you can count those groups on one hand?

CCP Guard wrote:
[–]CCP_Guard 54 points 7 hours ago 

Hey, all!
I wanted to jump in and give some perspective. In the metrics session at the summit concerns were raised about the depth of detail players get from data provided outside the game by CCP. These are not new concerns and they're always on our mind when releasing data, especially data that is unobtainable through gam-eplay. We know how much you guys love data from the EVE universe which is why we provide it. It puts things in perspective and it's just fun. It adds to the experience. We want to show you things but we also don't want to ruin anything or cheapen the experience of actually finding things out in the game.

So a couple of misconceptions I see shining through are that the CSM tell us what data to put out. That's not the case. We take insights and advice from the and we value their input greatly. When they disagree with you or each other, those viewpoints are equally important.

Another is that we've rigidly decided on something and etched it in stone. That's not the case. Let's have a discussion.
Grash Uriza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2017-02-10 05:58:09 UTC
The Primary Issue here is that we've been told a change is taking place with the MER, but have not been explained why in any sufficient way to how it came about.

Quant is saying that is request came from the CSM. Which CSM member(s) proposed this, which one supported it. What were their reasons. Without this information, how can we approach this? I know Guard says he wants a debate, but right now it feels like this
heavy handed action.
Andrei Rianovski
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2017-02-10 07:00:13 UTC
As with many others, I would appreciate the regional data - at least some of it - being included in the MER. Like others, I also have the reason of it's the most interesting part of the MER.

I guess I kinda understand nullsec people not wanting so much of their economic data handed out.... but what about the rest of us? It's stupidly vague information anyway, and, if it's so important then ... maybe we can just take the nullsec regions data out of the report and just give us the empire (and maybe npc null) regions in the report. Most of the nullsec regions are basically negligible in their trade and production values so they're not too interesting anyway.

That way, the few nullbear bosses who care can keep their data secret, and the many rest of us can continue to enjoy the numbers about the regions that are actually interesting enough to pay attention to.

Sorry if I sound insulting, but unless I'm missing something (which is likely the case since we haven't been given any real reasoning aside from "CSM said so") then I'm actually disappointed that "remove the regional data" was the order given and uncompromisingly followed instead of "remove the nullsec regions data" like nobody thought it through at all Ugh
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#20 - 2017-02-10 07:56:08 UTC
Faith Winters wrote:
Quote:
Please note that this MER is the last one containing regional stats, the next MERs will be more streamlined and not showing those graphs. This was a request by the CSM.


Why?


Probably the same reason the Watch List was Nerfed down to a mostly useless 'Buddy List.' Free intel on bigger boats is bad for big alliance business, as is knowing where systems' worth of space rocks are being nommed to be turned into really big boats. The only reason something like this would likely get requested by CSM (and approved by CCP apparently), it supports the ones living full time in null.

Must be nice to have that kind of pull, and get the goodie bag well stocked for a select part of the community. Ugh

>Jeven's Highsec scrub keyboardist.

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
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