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Free Multiple Character Training, On All Multi-Month Subscriptions

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#41 - 2017-02-05 17:00:42 UTC
I really don't have any desire to run multiple characters anymore. The fact that there are certain activities in EVE that require a second player or account is a bit of a design oversight, in my opinion. After a while the novelty tends to wear thin and you're left with the ongoing RL cost of maintaining several subscriptions or monthly requirement to earn enough to PLEX each account per month.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Salvos Rhoska
#42 - 2017-02-05 17:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I really don't have any desire to run multiple characters anymore. The fact that there are certain activities in EVE that require a second player or account is a bit of a design oversight, in my opinion. After a while the novelty tends to wear thin and you're left with the ongoing RL cost of maintaining several subscriptions or monthly requirement to earn enough to PLEX each account per month.


I hate "it depends" arguments, but this is a case in which it applies.

Two accounts are enormously better than one, but only in certain activities.
Furthermore, the need of a second account is negated by joining a Corp/Alliance.

It really depends on what you are planning to do, and how.

For the next month, I am dropping my alts, as I have not have had time to sustainably generate isk to support PLEX purchase for them. Furthermore, my alts current SP and function are not sustainable as of yet for my planned purposes for them. I will PLEX them later, once my other prirotites and costs are covered.

EVE is continuous and contiguous in this way.

You dont necessarily need to field a full fleet of alts, simultaneously.
I am quite happy in my current plan/activities simply developing/playing my main.
When I can afford more, and have time for more, I will do more.

I recommend this to all players:
-Always have a plan to subsist and play on 1 account.
-2 accounts is better, but only if the accounts syncs for a purpose that supports both.
-3 accounts is pushing it, unless you are established and space/IRL rich.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#43 - 2017-02-06 01:09:04 UTC
There's really no reason to run multiple accounts now, other than a few scenarios that warrant it. Yeah, I know - it depends. A lot of players had multiple accounts so they could do different things. Now you can strip them bare (and many have) to pump up the skillpoonts in another.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Andreve en Distel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2017-02-06 06:21:44 UTC
Just a quick update, my other account automatically renewed for 3 months, automatic renewal does NOT credit you for the MCT even if it is during this promotional period, however if you submit a ticket you should be able to have it manually applied (at least, the GM who handled my ticket did for me since they could confirm the renewal was during the promotional window). Also confirmed that the MCT unlocks one and only one additional training slot (does not split it between the 2nd and 3rd slots) and it starts from the activation of your purchase. Even if you have skills in your additional character's queue, you will have to manually start it, the 2nd training slot activating did not automatically start my 2nd character's queue for me.
Adrianal
Starwalker Mining
#45 - 2017-02-07 04:21:57 UTC
My problem is the banner add says Multiple Character training On All multi-month subscription to me "all" means "all". Added a ticket today.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#46 - 2017-02-07 04:59:12 UTC
Adrianal wrote:
My problem is the banner add says Multiple Character training On All multi-month subscription to me "all" means "all". Added a ticket today.

Worth reading the terms and conditions.
Salvos Rhoska
#47 - 2017-02-07 07:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Adrianal wrote:
My problem is the banner add says Multiple Character training On All multi-month subscription to me "all" means "all". Added a ticket today.


A ticket for what?

You are upset that free MCT was not provided to you for not making a purchase?

You havent lost anything.

If you bought sub before the offer, that deal was signed and payment for service exchanged at that time.
MCT was not part of the deal.

Lets say I had bought sub for 10 years worth, 10 years ago.
Do you think I should receive the benefit of every sub offer since then?
How would that even work in practice? Would CCP have to give me a refund for the cost difference in each offer?

Should I, according to your logic, receive 10yrs worth of MCTs retroactively now cos the ad banner says "all"
So 1,200 days worth of MCT?

Think for a second. You have a brain for a reason. Use it.
Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2017-02-07 15:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Veine Miromme
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Adrianal wrote:
My problem is the banner add says Multiple Character training On All multi-month subscription to me "all" means "all". Added a ticket today.

Worth reading the terms and conditions.

Here are some of the mininterpretation that you are doing.
1st.
"the banner add says Multiple Character training On All multi-month subscription."
this does in fact mean for all Multiple Character training on All multi-month subscription that are paid for,
since there is a price listed for those , included in the offer.

You clearly omitted the mention of the prices that is included in the offer.

2nd.
You instead mention ,
"[ the banner add says Multiple Character training On All multi-month subscription to me "all" means "all". ]
Added a ticket today."

All means all, and you omit all the details by representing the parts you include as all, in fact misrepresenting the truth.

CCP doesn't want me to say this, but when they give you the MCT despite the contract offer being different and misread,
it can be fraud.

First read the contract offer, if unclear, file a ticket to clarify, before paying, not after.
All sales can be final with no refunds.

In this case, and I'm sure many others, they may go out of their way, and act in manners contrary to the fact, for the simple reasons that players like to get away with twisting the truth and that they are fed this so much, that they want this implemented in their games...


+
Edit:
+ Try to interpret words for their own convenience rather than on facts.

+ The Free multiple character training is due to price
+ time of purchase

(their purchase also has a time for it, otherwise, it would not be valid .)


+ didn't pay during the special offer.

+ Insinuate CCP cannot make a special offer to get new players after you (or someone) put your (or their) money in MTC or multi-players (or even subs).

Ship Type : Out of pod (for now)

Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#49 - 2017-02-07 20:20:58 UTC
I really don't like these, "New customers get something special, current customers get nuthin" deals.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2017-02-07 20:57:14 UTC
Lfod Shi wrote:
I really don't like these, "New customers get something special, current customers get nuthin" deals.

How could they (the new customers) get something special, or in special, when the current customers are not happy with what they get, and not only try to interfere against the special offers to new customers, but also try to justify seizure and forfeiture of the profit from company making efforts for them to get new customers for them to play with and improve their income, deals ?

Most of this would lead to a loss of cash, reduced ingame assets, possibly more wars, and the new customers left to fend for themselves while already enjoying a 4 years lead start on them are still trying to control ingame enmities so as to make it impossible for new players to join null-sec corps with collusive communication warfare.

Why would the current customer get nuthin when they can still get the special offers until February 8, tomorrow, and add them to their current system sub ?

How is it that you are not trying to circumvent security measures and trying to cover it as justifiable?

Certainly, if you were to complaint useless or in vain against it, you might miss the offer by then, and try to purchase it on the 9, put another ticket, and get fined for having too many tickets.


On the other hand, should you get free MTC time, and transfer one of your pilot to another account, you may have to create a new account to use the free training time at the regular price (no, not the PLEX price, that only counts for either one of 30 days, or MTC, not both).

Ship Type : Out of pod (for now)

Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#51 - 2017-02-08 17:24:06 UTC
Lfod Shi wrote:
I really don't like these, "New customers get something special, current customers get nuthin" deals.


what are you talking about, im a current customer and i was able to avail to this offer. What?

i still have 4 months sub time and just added 3 more months, so now i have 30 days MTC to finally train my jita alt some trade skills.

Just Add Water

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#52 - 2017-02-08 17:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
1. The offer is now over (just to get that out of the way).
2. The offer was on new subsriptions (+time added) as opposed to preauthorized renewals, although I understand how this could've been misinterpreted. So it basically meant you had to spend more money (this is the long and short of it).

The best way I can illustrate this is with the following video clip. The pertinent part runs from 0:48 to 1:00.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=64cj7Q9c_YA

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2017-02-08 17:33:59 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Lfod Shi wrote:
I really don't like these, "New customers get something special, current customers get nuthin" deals.


what are you talking about, im a current customer and i was able to avail to this offer. What?

i still have 4 months sub time and just added 3 more months, so now i have 30 days MTC to finally train my jita alt some trade skills.

Exactly, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
(Typed using ... bbl

Ship Type : Out of pod (for now)

Genghis Verhan
Shadow Flight
#54 - 2017-02-08 20:03:27 UTC
It says until February 8 in my email. The promotion ended early? Ugh
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2017-02-08 20:19:17 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
There's really no reason to run multiple accounts now, other than a few scenarios that warrant it. Yeah, I know - it depends. A lot of players had multiple accounts so they could do different things. Now you can strip them bare (and many have) to pump up the skillpoonts in another.

Don't forget that SP farms are still a thing. Which is funny...

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Elder Chaz
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2017-02-08 20:42:46 UTC
I logged in to get a year sub and get the bonus on 2/8 and now I can't see the promotion. Did it end early???? Was listed to go to 2/8 on the website?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#57 - 2017-02-08 20:56:11 UTC
Elder Chaz wrote:
I logged in to get a year sub and get the bonus on 2/8 and now I can't see the promotion. Did it end early???? Was listed to go to 2/8 on the website?

It ended today apparently.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Nuk Tal'Dir
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#58 - 2017-02-09 00:57:27 UTC
I feel defrauded of my moneys atm I put in a ticket but I'm with all you people who believed from reading all the posted information this marketing advertisement was a subscription with all characters being trainable "Free MULITIPULE training" "ALL" . I appreciate I'm not alone. still waiting 24+ hours for a response. I may request a refund if not all 3 characters on my account are trainable $136 is a lot.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#59 - 2017-02-09 01:03:22 UTC
Nuk Tal'Dir wrote:
I feel defrauded of my moneys atm I put in a ticket but I'm with all you people who believed from reading all the posted information this marketing advertisement was a subscription with all characters being trainable "Free MULITIPULE training" "ALL" . I appreciate I'm not alone. still waiting 24+ hours for a response. I may request a refund if not all 3 characters on my account are trainable $136 is a lot.

I wouldn't count on a timely response. If they get back to you in a week you're doing good...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#60 - 2017-02-09 03:30:03 UTC
Nuk Tal'Dir wrote:
I feel defrauded of my moneys atm I put in a ticket but I'm with all you people who believed from reading all the posted information this marketing advertisement was a subscription with all characters being trainable "Free MULITIPULE training" "ALL" . I appreciate I'm not alone. still waiting 24+ hours for a response. I may request a refund if not all 3 characters on my account are trainable $136 is a lot.

The terms and conditions linked on the purchase clearly stated one extra skill queue.

You might want to plan to request a refund in that case. CCP were upfront with the information. Not really their fault if people don't read it.