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Paid Drifter/Jove Characters and Ships
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Cade Windstalker
#21 - 2017-02-06 22:05:06 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Anyone expecting these things to be more powerful than the Gnosis and the like are likely to be disappointed. CCP also said at Eve Vegas there would be another way to get these ships, so they're not purely for money either.

Time will tell I guess.


I look forward to someone who is totally not your alt complaining on the forums about how not-powerful these CONCORD hulls are and all the money paid to get one in six months time Lol

(seriously though, whether it's you or not, we both know *someone* is going to be making that thread...)
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#22 - 2017-02-06 22:59:57 UTC
I have a feeling they will be on par or close to Faction equivalents, but you may be entirely correct. If I was attending EVE FanFest and EVE Vegas this probably wouldn't be a bad deal. Otherwise, it kind of seems like a waste to deny tickets to someone that really wants to attend just to obtain a ship that I'm not necessarily crazy about.

That being said, I'd drop some serious coin on something like a T3 State Raven Battleship.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2017-02-07 13:27:15 UTC
Is this discussion about adding an enhanced race with special ships for real money or is that Star Trek Online bullsh-t over with?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#24 - 2017-02-07 13:29:20 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Is this discussion about adding an enhanced race with special ships for real money or is that Star Trek Online bullsh-t over with?

Never played it, so I really don't have a frame of reference.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Cristl
#25 - 2017-02-07 19:28:05 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
With alphas eve already has blatant pay to win. No matter how hard people want to try to twist definitions to somehow find a way they can bend their brain to make it not so.


Alphas are a limited trial, that doesn't make "Omega" suddenly "pay to win" it's just the default state of the game. When Alphas didn't exist we didn't call Omegas pay to win, so there's no reason we should start now just because CCP have created an unlimited time but limited function trial state.

Besides that we all know that giving people the ability to make fully functional free characters would be abused to Jove and back by the playerbase, so it's not like anyone is claiming that limiting Alphas was a bad decision, except maybe some of the new Alphas who aren't used to Eve yet.



and thats where ppl start the twisting


p2w = bad

alphas were not bad

so alpha is not p2wRoll

Just pointing out that this is a classically valid logical argument.

"p2w = bad" I assume means: p2w is a subset of the set-of-bad-things (maybe picture a Venn diagram with a big oval containing bad things (murder, arson, jaywalking...) with a small oval (p2w games) in it.

"Alphas were not bad" states that alphas are outside the big oval

"so alpha is not p2w" so if we're outside the superset (bad things), then we can infer that we're outside the subset (p2w games).

This is proof by modus tollens.

Anyway, Lengthy Lessons in Logic for Lugh aside, Eve has always had some element of pay to win (can cash real money for better ships, mods and characters). Adding alphas really didn't change this. I don't feel they were added as seamlessly as possible, but here we all are. They are irrelevant to any p2w argument: they're an extended trial and/or way for super-casuals to add to the Eve universe.
Cade Windstalker
#26 - 2017-02-07 19:29:53 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I have a feeling they will be on par or close to Faction equivalents, but you may be entirely correct. If I was attending EVE FanFest and EVE Vegas this probably wouldn't be a bad deal. Otherwise, it kind of seems like a waste to deny tickets to someone that really wants to attend just to obtain a ship that I'm not necessarily crazy about.

That being said, I'd drop some serious coin on something like a T3 State Raven Battleship.


Given that we have the Sunesis and Gnosis as reference points I wouldn't expect anything more powerful than that just in a bigger hull. Both of those ships are perfectly decent, and have their acolytes, but neither is particularly OP or above and beyond anything else in the game.

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T3 State Raven Battleship.


*twitch twitch twitch*

I'm sorry, I think I had a small seizure there....

Just oh gods no. That is the *last* thing Eve needs. The last thing we heard from CCP on T3 Battleships was "no, that would be broken" and thank $#%# they've held to it. (and before anyone points at the T3Ds they said at the same time that they were looking at smaller T3 ships, so that still holds)
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