Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I do hope you have fire insurance on that clone.

While we're at it I'll take sleeper ships and that rogue drone domi, as a payed extra of course.

-10 for content locked behind anything but your isk wallet

Can't we just get rid of skill injectors and extractors and have ccp apologize for the mistake?

If they add jove it needs to be for everyone for character creation, and that just means a free resculpt for everyone.
Thats the best option.

With alphas eve already has blatant pay to win. No matter how hard people want to try to twist definitions to somehow find a way they can bend their brain to make it not so.

But all the noobs kept complaining they "need" 500 million skillpoints on day one so they can fly zee titan and win.

No... that wasn't my point. Let me see if I can rephrase things in a way that's more clear.

Alphas are a limited trial, nothing more and nothing less. If you want the full functionality of the game then you have to pay for it, like with hundreds of other games and products throughout history.

This does not make Omegas "pay to win" it makes them the full intended state of the game without the trial. You could have, in theory, played Eve for years on a series of three month trial accounts, but that didn't make Eve pay to win then any more than Alphas do now.

Pay to win would be if I, as a normal PLEXing player who isn't actually paying anything, could pay CCP for something that can only be gotten through a payment of real life money and gives me a distinct material advantage over someone who doesn't pay for that item and is incapable of earning it otherwise.

Basically if I could pay for a SKIN that gave my ship 1% more to all resists or something.

That would be pay to win, the Alpha/Omega distinction isn't, it's just a trial state and no more creates a pay 2 win system than the old trial system did.

Alphas are a trial character that is limited in ability but unlimited in the time of use. You have to be careful with generic terms that can have opposite meanings for the same thing.

The key word is TRIAL account. The real confusion comes into play when folks operating a TRIAL ALPHA account think they deserve anything more than they already have.

OP - stop trolling. You've been on this forum long enough (you actually stated it) to know the response your blatant play to win suggestion will evoke. I call troll because you put in zero time and zero effort in fleshing out the idea. You just threw a rotten apple in the barrel and walked away. If you're really serious about your idea - put some effort into it and do it right.


Recommend closing an obvious troll post that lacks any semblance of depth, forethought or effort. (It's a poor product even by trolling standards).

OP, Alpha is not the default state it's the ground state, the lowest possible way to be playing the game other than not having an account at all. The way the game is intended to be played is still in a payed form. That's what the game is designed around and the way that the vast majority of players logging in everyday play.

PLEX has never been particularly pay ot win. It lets you get money off of other players, but it doesn't let you do anything you couldn't with enough time and effort. Even Skill Injectors are only a more piecemeal form of the Character Bazaar.

Also don't hold up the Chinese server as an example that Tranquility should be following. It's a completely different server catering to a different culture and clientele and not under CCP's direct management. Just because something is accepted over there doesn't mean it should be on TQ.

OP you also seem to be missing something that you yourself almost state here. Nothing that CCP has ever put into the game through paid content is more powerful than things acquired normally, in fact everything that I can think of (and apparently you as well) is worse or purely for vanity. The one time something CCP gave out got used in a broken away, the Luxury Yacht, they precision nerfed that application of the thing.

Selling a BP for real money is no different from selling the ship, that's purely window dressing on a bad idea, which is that something inherently better than what is normally available can be paid for with real money to be acquired. That's just a bad idea from start to finish.

So, just to be clear OP, the issue with your idea is the bit where you want to sell OP ships for real money. It doesn't matter if it's a blueprint, it doesn't matter if it's the hull whole hog. The problem is that you're advocating for 'gold ammo' in the game.

I'm not, we've seen zero indication that those ships are going to be anything like as powerful as actual CONCORD ships. They flat out say:



Anyone expecting these things to be more powerful than the Gnosis and the like are likely to be disappointed. CCP also said at Eve Vegas there would be another way to get these ships, so they're not purely for money either.

Time will tell I guess.