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Recent incursion issues

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Spumantii
TD Strike Force SRP
#41 - 2012-01-21 00:35:03 UTC
Ace Chaos wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:
Why dont the incursion runners do something about it?

War dec the griefers/ hire mercs to dec them etc?

Sandbox is sandbox


like i said in my post, forcing thoes who only PVE to PVP is not going to solve the problem.


Noone is forcing you to do or not do anything. EVE is for everyone not just a bunch of greedy carebears. If the site is there, who are you to force others not to run it?
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#42 - 2012-01-21 00:43:51 UTC
They don't want highsec incursions to be ways to make money so that they can sit in the safety of their locked down null sec systems and drag out incursions as long as possible to make huge amounts of ISK and monopolize the Concord LP store.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
CeneUJiti
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-01-21 00:44:12 UTC
Ace Chaos wrote:
There are different people in EVERY MMORPG out there:

PVPers - thoes who only pvp
PVEers - thoes who only pve
PVP/PVE - thoes who do both pvp and pve

These 3 aspects in a game creates a wide range of different players, and thus invites many different kinds of players to play, if you take out one, you lose a lot of people. For instance, you take out PVP a lot of players will leave EVE, however if you take out PVE you also lose a lot of players. As it is, EVE Online is a small community where peak time is only around 45k players are online at one time. Taking out PVE OR PVP would in fact lower that aspect more then you are willing to lose.

Forcing people to go one way or the other is not a good way to INVITE players to play EVE Online or any other MMORPG for that matter.

So my point here is that forcing players to sit in a station all day or to PVP is not exciting for thoes "Carebears" (as you call them) and many will eventually leave if the problem is not resolved. This does not ONLY include this Incursion aspect, but all aspects in the game.


As I said in my new thread. Fine line between "non-consensual PVP" and "there is no such thing as punishable griefing in EVE" is light years thick.

PVP has nothing to do with griefing. As our current little problem shows. Gathering a fleet and doing a NPC site for sole purpose of annoying and angering everyone? Pure griefing. "Oh but its isk interdiction". Yeah right; by ending Incursions you also prevent yourself from getting easiest high-sec ISK a well skilled PVP character can make."

And you don't really want all of EVE to play the way you want them. Dear god, imagine if everyone in EVE was lowsec pirate or highsec suicide ganker or ninja looter/salvager. There would be no victims left! Your only purpose in life and only thing that makes you feel nice (hurting people in a internet game or making them feel bad) would be gone!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#44 - 2012-01-21 00:44:21 UTC
Damn this thread grew quick.


Remember kids, NO PVP occurred in this mass "griefing". That's right. Nobody was ganked, spanked, prodded, bumped, humped, violenced, made sex to, and still there were no puppy launchers deployed either.

A legitimate PVE target was engaged against the desires of an elite few who are a bit...uh... perturbed... by now.


I must say that this was probably one of the best live events related to Sansha that I have seen since Sansha Live Events. Two fleets raced from one mom site to the other, one a fleet of T1 ships intent on taking down the mom, the other a fleet of shineys you would not believe. Was there Russian Caviar in the cargo holds? Jars of Grey Poupon? Who knows.

A good time was had by all - except those people who think it's all about racking up ISK ISK and more ISK. The latter did NOT have a good time but hopefully they have learned something about this game today.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Hoxothul
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-01-21 00:45:00 UTC
Schalac wrote:
They don't want highsec incursions to be ways to make money so that they can sit in the safety of their locked down null sec systems and drag out incursions as long as possible to make huge amounts of ISK and monopolize the Concord LP store.



Yes! That is exactly why we are doing! Oh my god, the truth have been exposed! Quickly back to the wormholes!
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-01-21 00:47:04 UTC
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:
Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.

This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.

I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.

CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)

Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.

Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.

SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME



nah, welcome to the sandbox, where the players can step in and fix problems temporarily while CCP figures out how to recode it... or perhaps they just let us police them. their call. Either way, party's over, and it went on far too long. Risk is higher outside of hi-sec, and so their should be greater reward. This means lesser reward in hi-sec. This is the price you pay for CONCORD's protection. DOn't like it? Leave high sec and take a risk.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#47 - 2012-01-21 00:52:32 UTC
CeneUJiti wrote:
As I said in my new thread. Fine line between "non-consensual PVP" and "there is no such thing as punishable griefing in EVE" is light years thick.


That's because "there is no such thing as punishable griefing in EVE" is false, and no one has suggested that its true but you.
Zosius
The Nordic Associates
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#48 - 2012-01-21 00:53:15 UTC
I love how goons and co (OP) create new toons to post tears. Good brand marketing, I salute you.

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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#49 - 2012-01-21 00:54:30 UTC
Grown men mad at their keyboards playing internet spaceship game. Internet Big smile

Concord Approved Trader
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#50 - 2012-01-21 00:58:44 UTC
CeneUJiti wrote:
Gathering a fleet and doing a NPC site for sole purpose of annoying and angering everyone?



I like how you speak for everyone.

As an eve player, I'm aggravated by the absurd amounts of isk spilled into eve's economy via incursions.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#51 - 2012-01-21 00:59:14 UTC
Zosius wrote:
I love how goons and co (OP) create new toons to post tears. Good brand marketing, I salute you.


Point out the goons
Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#52 - 2012-01-21 01:01:33 UTC
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong Sad



Abusing a broken system gj


You mean "working as intended" right?
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#53 - 2012-01-21 01:05:13 UTC
Greedy cry-babies expecting people to play their way and making baseless accusations about PVPers and low/null even though they are crying about people doing PVE (better than them).

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-01-21 01:10:34 UTC
Any group content will inevitably favor those who are in group .. obviously..

Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#55 - 2012-01-21 01:13:10 UTC
Welcome to the sandbox.

The castle you've built is based on running an incursion in a way that prolongs the time-span of said incursion, and increases the income you get from it.

Someone else, without so much as targeting you, has found a way to kick over your castle.

Be thankful they aren't ganking your ship directly. At least you fly out of this in more than a pod.

Profit favors the prepared
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#56 - 2012-01-21 01:13:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
if incursion runners can milk the moms and run vanguards until their wallets explode, brick, or anyone else should be able to shut them down.

both sides are gaming the system and the system could stand revision, but you can't cry foul when you are engaged in the same practice
Dughawk
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-01-21 01:13:51 UTC
Are you Mad Bro? Is there something we can do for ya? Pirate
Mattadore
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-01-21 01:27:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mattadore
Quote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong



Abusing a broken system gj


So, let me get this straight, the guys killing the motherships are "abusing a broken system", to **** you and your friends out of isk. And you (as far as I know) are only complaining about this "broken system" now. Now I'm not searching through old forum posts to check on this because, well **** that, BUT, it seems like you are only complaining about or bringing up that the system is broken when you get ****** out of isk. But when you and your friends were farming the **** out of it, not killing the motherships, you YOURSELVES were (in a sense) abusing a system that you knew/thought was broken. Surely if it was broken, you would have filed numerous petitions or bug reports about it and made big topics on EVE Forums about it (again I'm not going to background check that)?

So...wtf dude? Abuse a broken system for your own personal gain, but then complain when other's abuse the same broken system to **** you over/their own personal gain? Get real buds.

Edit: I've been watching lots of court tv lol, I should be a judge.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#59 - 2012-01-21 01:59:12 UTC
I knew I should have invested in Kleenex tissues when I had the chance

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#60 - 2012-01-21 02:13:39 UTC
Applicable to this thread: Welcome

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