EVE General Discussion

...or you can just skip that crap and buy yourself to the top.

This is the line of argumentation that true cut-purse P2W microtransactions games often come up with: "but you can get it in the game without paying, so it's alright". Yeah, you can get it. By opening an RNG box that drops maybe twice a day after hours of grinding with a chance of 1% to actually find what you need inside. Or you can just cough up 5 bucks and buy it.

Of course we will use any possibilities offered to us. If I were to buy a PLEX and sell it on the market to reach one of my goals quicker, that merely means that I have adapted to the existing system. It does not mean I like or approve of it.

Now, I don't know what you think I or any of my corp- and alliance-mates have done, but if you have any proof showing that we bribed and bought our way to the top by means not already covered by CCP rules, I ask you to kindly put them forward.

What bullying has to do with any of this, I do not know.

Then don't start it. I am not the one who decided to make this personal. ;)


So far, I am with you.


And this is where I disagree. If you cannot see how introducing items that do not come from the player-run industry into a game that prides itself with having a real market, then you need to play the game more and start seeing the bigger picture.

Anything game relevant you can buy for money, be it material or status is bad and only serves to throw off the balance and pull money out of your pocket. Why should the guy who has plenty of money to spend be allowed to train faster or get better ships faster than the guy who doesn't? Imagine a game of checkers. One player pulls out 10 bucks and adds another piece to the field, or makes another turn right away. Does that sound like a good game to you?

And I am aware that we already have those options to a degree. That's bad, and certainly not an argument to make it even worse.

Even name change is critical. Eve is a game where your choices matter and may have consequences. For example, you are now known to me as Arthur Aihaken, the guy who tried to drag my friends through the mire, and then quickly pulled out when asked to back it up. And you cannot just rename your character to wash off that stain. And that's a good thing - it forces players to think about their decisions.

EVE has already gone down the slippery slope - there's really no turning back. One can argue whether or not EVE is pay2win, but with a F2P option it's fairly apparent that it now is. Want to get better at EVE, train more skills - fly better ships? Subscribe and become an Omega. Want to augment your new Omega character? Purchase skill injectors. Want to pilot multiple ships at once? Buy another subscription and augment that character too. Want a cool limited edition CONCORD frigate, cruiser or battleship? Just buy some EVE FanFest and EVE Vegas tickets (no attendance necessary).

It's not really free to play, that's just what the marketing guys are writing everywhere.
It's an unlimited trial that's sufficient to a certain degree.

A proficient alpha character can also totally **** the average nullsec f1 monkey, since it's not really skills or ship equipment that matter, but actual piloting skills. Something that can't be bought with money.