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"They discourage people from playing EVE. You're still paying your subscription, sure, but you're not playing the game. You don't want to jump to your empty/combat clone and lose a day of "optimal" training so you can have some fun, and then have to jump back to your training clone the next day."

You can have fun even in your learning implants clone. What you're saying here is that you don't want to risk them. You're asking for convenience here, not balance. The risk vs reward balance already exists.

"This affects nullsec (especially wormhole) players doubly so - losing your ship in a bubble is a surefire way to get podded. People in Empire still have a better chance of warping their pods out of harm's way, and thus have no qualms about running missions or otherwise ~flying in space~ with their implants, unless of course they are at war. That, however, is not our playstyle."

YOUR playstyle. As I stated, you're complaining that the game doesn't work the way YOU want it to.

"They are seeded exclusively through LP stores rather than being made in-game entirely."

So are faction ships and modules but you see people flying with those in nullsec.

"Characters that need pirate faction implants for any reason (supercapital pilots with slave/nomad sets, freighter/JF pilots with nomads, etc.) are essentially stuck with +3s. But this isn't about pirate implants."

You get to choose what bonuses you want out of your implants. More armor HP, lower sig radius, more agility, or faster learning speed. You have choices here, and you're complaining that you can't have more than one.

Sure I do. They let me learn faster, and I believe that a bonus like that should stay the way it is. A choice between learning, ship boosts, or simply not risking implants out on the field.

Bravo and well said. The removal of learning implants will vitalize PvP and that's why I support it.

Arguments about risk aversion are purely idealistic and have little practical merit. Everybody has different thresholds of ISK they're willing to risk, lowering the minimum cost of a pod loss is only going to bring more people out into areas where their pod is at risk. If you can't feel the thrill without an expensive clone, nobody is forcing you to fly a cheap clone. Simple as that. If you're afraid that low-income plebs will suddenly have an advantage over your rich ass, well, you can spend all the ISK used for implants on hardwirings, pirate implants, faction loot, etc to give yourself the advantage.

And if you're a highsec bear that's afraid of losing the privilege of flying with his hard-earned 5's that he'll most likely never lose, you can go jump into a lake for all I care.

I'm sure quite a lot of people here will ignore all the downsides that have been clearly pointed out to this proposal, and think people who don't like the proposal must just have something against the goons.

Now what a kind person you are...

Maybe I wouldn't care about my opinion, too, if I were you.
But I do care about the proposal, because I think it is a very good idea and would help me- a desperate carebear that got stuck in highsec forever- a great deal to have more fun in eve.
The main argument people are posting here is: evil 0.0 alliances would profit from it (true. everybody would profit), so I am against it. They would rather see that nobody gets such a nice benefit, since the mere idea that their hated archenemies would get the same benefit is just unbearable for them.
I am in no way affiliated with the goons, I know nothing about 0.0 politics and I do not care, to be honest.
I would personally profit if learning implants were removed, that's why I support the idea- and I do not mind if other people profit as well, I wouldn't even mind if they profited slightly more than me.
I would be free to get some casual pvp in lowsec whenever I want, that's all that matters to me.

Have a nice day.

Seriously if you can't have your skills training at less than the absolute optimal for a 24 hour time period of jump cloning you are a bit too obsessive compulsive to be doing pvp anyway. You need to loosen your grip if you want to have fun pvping in eve and based on your attitude toward skill training you are way too uptight. Things don't always go exactly as you would like.




Among others you forgot the argument that there are trillions of isk in learning implants going into the eve economy. Erasing that from the economy will all but kill every lp store in eve. Sorry there is no reason to kill a large part of the game in order to cater to the crowd that is ridiculously uptight about learning.

Also if you would like to pvp there are low sec options that do not have bubbles so you can usually warp your pod out.

But nice strawman.

Pretty sure that if they remove learning implants they will likely give us stat boosts to cover the missing +5 to each skill.

so uh, who are you?

I numbered your responses/questions so its easier to track my answers/ responses

1) Yep
2) Really
3) No ccp hasn't realeased but they said they were looking into it in a thread about the lp store tanking
4) By being a large part of the market.
5) I didn't say the economy is would be stricken
6) Not really if the store is broken people will no longer get lp and sink their isk in it.
7) Ok you don't care if items that you bought just suddenly disappear from the game without any reimbursment. Others disagree you shouldn't ignore them.

double post because I am dumb