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Worst battleships?

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#21 - 2017-02-04 02:41:32 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
[Mina Sebiestar]


Oh its not a bad ship at all i don't think Gallente battleship lineup have bad ships it was just a toss up for me in between t1 mega or hype whose last on the list hype ended there.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#22 - 2017-02-04 18:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenPaine
Generally speaking, I always felt that the Caldari line up of BS was week for PvP. I have flown them all, and I think they have the highest probability to lose a fight.

The Scorpion:
A BS sized ECM ship. It does have the ability to spam in Cruise missiles, but being out of point range, it can't actually get many kills. More of a helper in that respect. As for the ECM part, it can't cloak, and it moves slow. I never lost a Falcon, but I did lose every Scorp I ever owned.
I will add, Scorps are cheaper to lose. Disposable in a sense.

The Raven:
Typically is a first BS that new combat pilots will fly. They can do *ok* but this reputation alone will get the Raven primaried a lot.
If you want to be the last ship on the field after a big fight, you probably will NOT be flying a Raven.
Great DPS though and a decent drone bay. Not terrible tank, but def not the *best*.

The Rokh:
A great doctrine ship with the snipeing ability.
Up close, as a blaster boat, Mega is faster, has more DPS, and can tank as good or better. Mega and other ships, will have a better drone bay and more possible utility options.
Price makes the Mega a far better choice for the same fight.

Again, I've flown them all, and I'd do it again, but a well thought out fleet/plan would leave these ships in the hanger.


I will admit, most of my fleet/plans aren't well thought out. Blink Many times it's just "grab something and let's go"
Mikkir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2017-02-05 05:00:09 UTC
Thanks for all the replies.

I was thinking some of the battleships were meh, but wanted to see what you all thought.

I was thinking that the fleet tempest was meh, simply because it used the old tempest formula. I'm surprised that the fleet phoon didn't make the list, because it seems expensive for average, but apparently people like it. Other things that caught my eye were the navy domi, it has good DPS on paper but I thought it was a bit odd with bonuses.

Suprised to see the rokh, it use to be a reasonable fleet ship just because of extra range and tank bonus, but I guess it has fallen off. Also suprised that the abaddon wasn't listed more, I haven't found what I think is a great fit on it, but I guess someone likes it. Apparently the nester has found a niche, which is nice to see, but I also have no idea what that niche is.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#24 - 2017-02-05 07:41:26 UTC
Scorpion not all that much it can do that another ecm boat can't do better or cheaper. If ccp ever lifts the hard 250km lock on the rest of the ships like they did cariers I could maybe see it. As it stands it's only really useful for suicide ecm bursts
Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
#25 - 2017-02-05 19:42:20 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
YeuxVerts Belle wrote:
Boozbaz wrote:
Tempest Fleet issue is bad value. The vanilla tempest has better bonuses than the fleet issue.


Does that make it a bad ship?




For a few extra isk (tens of mil) you can get a Mach, Pretty much a Fleet tempest that swaps a free high for an extra gun (more DPS), gets even more drones, more speed, faster warp, faster align and better range.



The mach is not a fleet tempest with an extra turret slot. It is typhoon that doesn't use missiles.

my other nano is a polycarb

Valkin Mordirc
#26 - 2017-02-06 04:40:27 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:


The Rokh:
A great doctrine ship with the snipeing ability.
Up close, as a blaster boat, Mega is faster, has more DPS, and can tank as good or better. Mega and other ships, will have a better drone bay and more possible utility options.
Price makes the Mega a far better choice for the same fight.

Again, I've flown them all, and I'd do it again, but a well thought out fleet/plan would leave these ships in the hanger.


I will admit, most of my fleet/plans aren't well thought out. Blink Many times it's just "grab something and let's go"


I wouldn't say it the best doctrine sniper. Again the Naga will have better DPS and the same range. It's faster to, so if you it as it's intended role. Being outside of the range of the enemy, tank doesn't really matter. Also the Naga gets overshadowed by the Tornado. Also Medium rails in general on cruiser hull seem to be more ideal with the meta as is.

Mega gets a better Passive tank, The Rohk could technically get a better active tank, but the Rokh only has six mids, so getting a good a active tank, or even passive tank will limit it in utility. It's really hard to fit a Rokh to have a strong active tank, even with bling, and still have a web.

As for blaster fits, the Rokh doesn't get the tracking bonus, so not only does the Mega out damage the Rokh, it tracks better and can fit a web. Better drone bay to, it can fit a set of mediums and a set of lights. where the rokh can only fit a set of mediums or two sets of lights.

As its intended role, The Rokh has been left behind by the ABC's. The only thing people really use them for now is smart bombing, either has dedicated firewallers, or just popping the random ceptor/pod.


I know I've been bashing it a lot, I love the way the Rokh looks. It was actually the first battleship I bought and I still have that rohk docked up in Amarr. I just wish it was a better ship.
#DeleteTheWeak
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#27 - 2017-02-06 05:01:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Everyone wishes the Rokh was a better ship. If they removed the shield bonus and replaced it with a +25% bonus to falloff range it would make the Rokh a lot more interesting. Then change the optimal range bonus on the Naga to +25%. The Naga will still be able to snipe and perform - it just wouldn't surpass the Rokh at extreme ranges.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Mikkir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2017-02-07 06:33:43 UTC
So after some fitting I'm going to declare that the abaddon is the worst battleship. The bonuses make it interesting, but the cap is so weak you have to fit cap boosters just to keep the lasers firing in a buffer fit. I really don't see how to fit this ship and not consider it garbage.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#29 - 2017-02-07 07:38:57 UTC
Mikkir wrote:
So after some fitting I'm going to declare that the abaddon is the worst battleship. The bonuses make it interesting, but the cap is so weak you have to fit cap boosters just to keep the lasers firing in a buffer fit. I really don't see how to fit this ship and not consider it garbage.

You may want to look into a Nightmare.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Mikkir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2017-02-07 07:53:59 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Mikkir wrote:
So after some fitting I'm going to declare that the abaddon is the worst battleship. The bonuses make it interesting, but the cap is so weak you have to fit cap boosters just to keep the lasers firing in a buffer fit. I really don't see how to fit this ship and not consider it garbage.

You may want to look into a Nightmare.


Yeah, the nightmare seems a lot better for the same-ish kind of ship.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2017-02-07 11:43:15 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
[Mina Sebiestar]


Oh its not a bad ship at all i don't think Gallente battleship lineup have bad ships it was just a toss up for me in between t1 mega or hype whose last on the list hype ended there.



Navy Mega gets worst but only because of the cost vs the better vindicator.
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#32 - 2017-02-07 13:13:36 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
Mikkir wrote:
Just curious, what are the worst battleships in the game right now?

I get some ships are niche ships, like the rokh being a fleet ship, but which ones are just terrible?


The Rokh is DANK as a mining ship, I have one just for that, it's beautiful to see her doing that, plus the skins for the Rokh are cheap.

Apart from that, yeah no FC I know want it in any situation except smartbombing gates.


The Venture is the only mining ship I can fly. I kind of like the idea of getting the omber I need for storyline missions in a Rokh. Just for awsomesauce and giggles. Can't stop the Rokh, it does 250 sanics...
Takh Meir'noen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2017-02-08 16:00:57 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
I actually get great use out of the Rokh with a MJD and rails. I'm not a fan of the Apocalypse, or maybe any T1 amarr battleship. Armour tanks are always very slow active tanks and it feels like trying to juggle enough capacitor, two reps, and still finding Scorch isn't as effective as I'd hoped it would be compared to even Barrage in large AC's.

Paladin is a beast but it was a breeze fitting a cap stable dual rep tank on that golden God


Dual rep!? Why are you dual repping? An Armageddon with 1 rep + 3 hardeners can tank in L4s just fine assuming you aren't going for pocket aggro every time.

A PALADIN with a dual rep!? WHY?

HI: 4 Tachs + Bastion + 3 whatever (1 drone link, 2 tractor)
MID: MWD + MJD + 2 Cap Rech
LO: LAR + 2 EANM + 4 Heat Sink
RIG: 2x Cap Rigs
DRONE: 5 hobgoblin, 1 warden, 5 salvager
CARGO: MTU, 4xMulti thru Standard + 4x navy multi

With Bastion up you can tank 1500 dps. If 1500 dps tank isn't keeping you alive in a L4, you are doing it wrong.

On the original topic, as much love as I have for the Abaddon, it doesn't really stand out from the Apocalypse enough, especially for L4 missions.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#34 - 2017-02-08 20:03:09 UTC
Gregorius Goldstein wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Not to mention that the Naga completely over takes the Rohk as a rail sniper. Faster, better sensor strength, and better damage


I guess THAT is the biggest problem that the Rokh has. The resistance bonus is great for tanking stuff and the range bonus is great for kiting stuff. Two OK bonuses but for two different tactics. And if you go for blasters there are better battleships in the Galente line. Now if the Rokh had a range and a tracking bonus, that would be a nice combo.
(But in that case range + tracking on the Naga and range + damage on the Rokh would be even better?)


Yeah well the thing is, people don't exactly use Naga doctrines a whole lot either.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Mikkir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2017-02-09 04:06:02 UTC
Takh Meir'noen wrote:
On the original topic, as much love as I have for the Abaddon, it doesn't really stand out from the Apocalypse enough, especially for L4 missions.


Can you share you abaddon fit for PvE? Everytime I try to fit it I end up doing my impression of the Jackie Chan meme picture.

I'd like to see a not terrible fit for it.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#36 - 2017-02-09 07:23:21 UTC
Takh Meir'noen wrote:



A PALADIN with a dual rep!? WHY?



C4 and 5 WHs.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#37 - 2017-02-09 08:07:33 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Takh Meir'noen wrote:



A PALADIN with a dual rep!? WHY?



C4 and 5 WHs.


Polarized l4 fits come with dual reps as well

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Tomoko Sunji
Wicked Exploration
#38 - 2017-02-09 17:51:34 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
YeuxVerts Belle wrote:
Boozbaz wrote:
Tempest Fleet issue is bad value. The vanilla tempest has better bonuses than the fleet issue.


Does that make it a bad ship?


Well it has more Tank, an extra low slot and an extra flight of lights , but has less DPS (2.5% per level). So its better in several ways but also twice the price.

For a few extra isk (tens of mil) you can get a Mach, Pretty much a Fleet tempest that swaps a free high for an extra gun (more DPS), gets even more drones, more speed, faster warp, faster align and better range.

The main issue is that Pirate BPCs have come down in price too much due to farming. Not that long ago a Pirate BS was 1Bil which made the progression fine.


TFI has extra PG too which is great when it comes to fitting arty as you don't have to sacrifice one of your rigs like a machariel should.

A TFI would probably be one of the most suited battleship to hold a grid.
Mikkir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2017-02-10 05:14:50 UTC
Tomoko Sunji wrote:
TFI has extra PG too which is great when it comes to fitting arty as you don't have to sacrifice one of your rigs like a machariel should.

A TFI would probably be one of the most suited battleship to hold a grid.


Can you explain what you mean by hold a grid?

So after more research on the market, it looks like Galente and Minmatar navy ships are also poorly represented.

Navy mega are barely better than regular megas, and horribly outclased by vindicators.
Navy domis lack the drone focus the regular domi has, even with higher paper dps.
Fleet phoons are poorly situated between barghest and other missile ships, unless you go autocannons which makes it a weaker... any other autocannon boat?
And I think we largely covered the TFI, which also struggles to find a niche the mach doesn't dominate.

But again, these are observations from an old noob who's still getting used to the game again.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#40 - 2017-02-10 06:09:11 UTC
All Navy battleship hulls are horrendously overpriced now that Pirate Faction hulls have dropped so much in cost. They should really be priced in the 250-350m ISK range.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

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