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New Omega with few questions

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Murkalael Arbinger
Nullvoid Tech
#1 - 2017-02-02 13:56:34 UTC
I finally was able to buy my very first PLEX and got overwhelmed with how much alphas were kept from. So here's the thing, from the new trees of avaiable skills I pretty much want to increase everything right now, but on the contrary of what I thought you can't train several skills at same time, you can only queue them. I like everything on the game (except the pvp part), so I'm kinda undecided what to raise first. What skill you guys suggest to raise first to make quick isk before 30 days expire?

I'm also self sufficient, I like to craft my own gear / ships. And here is the first very important question. Is there any bpo from high level ships sold by npc? I tried for example to look for mining barge bpos, and only found players selling them for 2billhion average market price. If there's no npc bpo from this kind, where those come from?

When I activated the PLEX my gui turned green (alphas are black), can I reverse that and how?

Is there bpos for command centers? I also wanted to start some planet interaction.

Thanks for reading. I'll probably return with more newbie questions.
Wombat65Au Egdald
R I S E
#2 - 2017-02-02 15:26:25 UTC
You can buy BPO's for the Tech 1 ships, modules, ammunition and other basic items from NPC corporations with normal isk.

You can buy BPC's (blueprint copies with a limited number of uses) for "faction" ships and items from some NPC corps, but you will need to earn Loyalty Points with the appropriate NPC corp, plus you may need to collect other special items to buy the faction blueprint. You can also buy these BPC's from other players who got them from an NPC corp. Blueprints sold by players are sold in "contracts". Faction ships and items are a bit better than the basic tech 1 equivalent, but only some ships have a faction version.

Tech 2 blueprints are created by players using specialised skills in the Science skill group through a process called "invention", Players can only create tech 2 limited run blueprint copies, not unlimited run blueprint originals,

I don't do PI myself but from what I understand, you buy the command centres from NPC corps, you don't make them. There are different types of command centres intended for different types of planets.

Your GUI color scheme can be selected from the settings window (press ESC when you are inside the game on your character).
Select the General Settings tab and there will be a variety of window color schemes on the right hand side to choose from.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2017-02-02 16:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Orakkus
Murkalael Arbinger wrote:
I like everything on the game (except the pvp part)


Your first skill should be to learn to like the PVP part. Seriously. Learning how to PVP in Eve Online will help you keep you from being a victim, help you know when to take a fight and when to run, and how not to be a drag on your fellow corp members.

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What skill you guys suggest to raise first to make quick isk before 30 days expire?


The great thing about Omega clones is that you can train everything. The bad part about going back to Alpha from Omega is that any skills you train for that isn't covered as an Alpha clone are no longer available to you when you go back to being an Alpha. So on that note, my suggestion would be to train up your core skills (which now train at double the speed). This will improve your overall performance (i.e. makes your able to fit modules better, do more damage with weapons, be a bit more tankier).

It really depends a lot on how you got your PLEX in the first place. If you want to continue on with that career to make isk or try something else.

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I'm also self sufficient, I like to craft my own gear / ships. And here is the first very important question. Is there any bpo from high level ships sold by npc? I tried for example to look for mining barge bpos, and only found players selling them for 2billhion average market price. If there's no npc bpo from this kind, where those come from?


Forget about being self-sufficient. It isn't practical at this point. Sure you can make your own ships and ammo, but at your skill level, it distracts you from training skills that would make other aspects of the game more fun and efficient.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

Uncle Bork
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2017-02-02 16:17:25 UTC
BPOs usually cost about ten times the price of the item you want to build. I would recommend you look at the Contracts are for BPCs (Blue Print Copies). Click on the icon above your character's picture on the NEOCOMM, go to Business, and then go to contracts. Make sure to READ THE CONTRACT DETAILS VERY VERY VERY CAREFULLY (this is where a lot of scams also go down). Also make sure to note the number of runs (how many of the item cyou can build with that copy, as well as the ME (Material efficiency) and the Time Efficiency. Time is less important on small items, but big items can take days to build (days or weeks).

If production is your initial aim, you'll want to train up Industry and Mass Production so you can do more than one job at a time. Odds are you'll need a hauler as well, so you'll probably want to train up your preferred Racial Industrial pilot skill so that you can get more cargo room.

If you haven't played with it yet, I would recommend you look up a program called EVEMON which can help you plan your skills out as well as get some help figuring out the value of a blueprint but setting the ME and such.

As mentioned already, command centers are only purchasable from NPC stations.
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#5 - 2017-02-02 17:05:43 UTC
Murkalael Arbinger wrote:
What skill you guys suggest to raise first to make quick isk before 30 days expire?


If isk is the primary goal and you need them quick... I'd advise Planetary Interaction.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Planetary_Interaction
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Creating_a_Planetary_Interaction_Alt

-doing very basic, low maintenance time setups (Raw material to P2 level resource... mostly on barren planets)
-in low traffic low sec areas
-selling only to buy orders
-with command centers/interplanetary consolidation to 4 (5 planets)

You can make 100-150 million per month. Per character.

There are more time intensive things you can do to make more... but while it takes you 10 days or so to train up your PI alts and train PI for your main and there is a 30-40m isk price tag up front for the initial planet setup (the most time consuming part)... you get the income over and over once trained. You just harvest your planets.

So... if you're grinding for isk to get a billion a month... you have 3-400 million covered by your PI and you don't have to earn as much with your main playing... all at the cost of about a month of training (for main and two alts).

The problem is you CANNOT use PI once you go back to Alpha... it would literally be useless to you there. You'd probably want to get a 3-6 month sub using real money (for $38.85 for 3 months or $71.70 for 6) and get the setup done. With a one time 6-month sup for less than 75 bucks, you'd get PI set up to make over 2 billion from the PI alone in that time. By building up other isk making stuff to go with this passive income base, plexing from that point on would likely become much simpler.

If you have to make a billion in one month or go back to Alpha... PI won't get you there. First month (considering training time to get the toons stared and the up front costs of setting up planets)... you might just break even on PI. So probably won't get you what you want... but if you can spare the time/isk and take a longer term approach it's very beneficial.





Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#6 - 2017-02-02 17:53:18 UTC
Orakkus wrote:
Murkalael Arbinger wrote:
I like everything on the game (except the pvp part)


Your first skill should be to learn to like the PVP part. Seriously. Learning how to PVP in Eve Online will help you keep you from being a victim, help you know when to take a fight and when to run, and how not to be a drag on your fellow corp members.

Quote:
What skill you guys suggest to raise first to make quick isk before 30 days expire?


The great thing about Omega clones is that you can training everything. The bad part about going back to Alpha from Omega is that any skills you train for that isn't covered as an Alpha clone is no longer available to you when you go back to being an Alpha. So on that note, my suggestion would be to train up your core skills (which now train at double the speed), which will improve your overall performance (i.e. makes your able to fit modules better, do more damage with weapons, be a bit more tankier).

It really depends a lot on how you got your PLEX in the first place. If you want to continue on with that career to make isk or try something else.

Quote:
I'm also self sufficient, I like to craft my own gear / ships. And here is the first very important question. Is there any bpo from high level ships sold by npc? I tried for example to look for mining barge bpos, and only found players selling them for 2billhion average market price. If there's no npc bpo from this kind, where those come from?


Forget about being self-sufficient. It isn't practical at this point. Sure you can make your own ships and ammo, but at your skill level, it distracts you from training skills that would make other aspects of the game more fun and efficient.



He seems like an industrial type, pretty sure he filed how you like to play the game under the IDGAF section.

Chihuahuaraffe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-02-02 20:07:44 UTC
Scialt wrote:
The problem is you CANNOT use PI once you go back to Alpha... it would literally be useless to you there. You'd probably want to get a 3-6 month sub using real money (for $38.85 for 3 months or $71.70 for 6) and get the setup done. With a one time 6-month sup for less than 75 bucks, you'd get PI set up to make over 2 billion from the PI alone in that time.

The new 6-month deals now include 60 days of multiple-character training, so there's your PI alt for free.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#8 - 2017-02-02 20:13:03 UTC
Wombat65Au Egdald wrote:
...Your GUI color scheme can be selected from the settings window (press ESC when you are inside the game on your character).
Select the General Settings tab and there will be a variety of window color schemes on the right hand side to choose from.

^^^ As Omega, you can choose from many gui color scemes.
Really, don't worry about making enough isk ingame to pay for the game. You risk grinding just to be able to grind more. Buy a subscription and free yourself to play as you wish without stressing about needing to get isk to buy a plex so you can get isk to buy another plex next. The isk will come later that will enable you to plex your account without it concerning you much.



Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2017-02-02 20:19:36 UTC
Jax Bederen wrote:
Orakkus wrote:
Murkalael Arbinger wrote:
I like everything on the game (except the pvp part)


Your first skill should be to learn to like the PVP part. Seriously. Learning how to PVP in Eve Online will help you keep you from being a victim, help you know when to take a fight and when to run, and how not to be a drag on your fellow corp members.

Quote:
What skill you guys suggest to raise first to make quick isk before 30 days expire?


The great thing about Omega clones is that you can training everything. The bad part about going back to Alpha from Omega is that any skills you train for that isn't covered as an Alpha clone is no longer available to you when you go back to being an Alpha. So on that note, my suggestion would be to train up your core skills (which now train at double the speed), which will improve your overall performance (i.e. makes your able to fit modules better, do more damage with weapons, be a bit more tankier).

It really depends a lot on how you got your PLEX in the first place. If you want to continue on with that career to make isk or try something else.

Quote:
I'm also self sufficient, I like to craft my own gear / ships. And here is the first very important question. Is there any bpo from high level ships sold by npc? I tried for example to look for mining barge bpos, and only found players selling them for 2billhion average market price. If there's no npc bpo from this kind, where those come from?


Forget about being self-sufficient. It isn't practical at this point. Sure you can make your own ships and ammo, but at your skill level, it distracts you from training skills that would make other aspects of the game more fun and efficient.



He seems like an industrial type, pretty sure he filed how you like to play the game under the IDGAF section.



He will get plenty of pvp once he starts dealing with the market. If he plans on getting resources himself then he may end up in ship to ship pvp in some areas. Having knowledge of how it works both market and ship to ship will help him in the long run. Also helps people from raging at the game because they thought they wouldn't have to deal with pvp if they didn't want to.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2017-02-02 20:20:34 UTC
Jax Bederen wrote:


He seems like an industrial type, pretty sure he filed how you like to play the game under the IDGAF section.



I started playing Eve Online back in 2005 with nearly the exact same viewpoint. Ten years later, I wish someone had told me those things up front.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

LouHodo
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#11 - 2017-02-02 20:31:30 UTC
Orakkus wrote:


Forget about being self-sufficient. It isn't practical at this point. Sure you can make your own ships and ammo, but at your skill level, it distracts you from training skills that would make other aspects of the game more fun and efficient.



I dont agree with this. You can be "limited" self sufficient if you make ammo and replacement ships, without any great skill investment. I do it on my toon for mission running and exploration. I dont need T2 ammo or much else other than basic junk for most combat sites I run into, I produce all I need at night, 1 run of 50x100 of some missile type. I buy my resources at the market and easily cut my overhead.

Murkalael Arbinger
Nullvoid Tech
#12 - 2017-02-02 21:30:40 UTC
Thanks for all the replies. My game is basically exploration sites, lost drone scavenging, some pve security missions, mining and yes some combat on anomalies. While I do all that I like to keep something crafting / upgrading. By the way I created Nullvoid Tech just to avoid npc corp tax. If this was not a game I would say is Brazil, we're robbed by all companies / facilities even if we fart. Big smile

Anyway, I would like to do all that I currently do a bit faster, I was able to make my first billion in about 1 month and a half just by findind the right spots to do all that in high sec and get a reasonable return.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2017-02-02 21:39:28 UTC
Jax Bederen wrote:
Orakkus wrote:
Murkalael Arbinger wrote:
I like everything on the game (except the pvp part)


Your first skill should be to learn to like the PVP part. Seriously. Learning how to PVP in Eve Online will help you keep you from being a victim, help you know when to take a fight and when to run, and how not to be a drag on your fellow corp members.

Quote:
What skill you guys suggest to raise first to make quick isk before 30 days expire?


The great thing about Omega clones is that you can training everything. The bad part about going back to Alpha from Omega is that any skills you train for that isn't covered as an Alpha clone is no longer available to you when you go back to being an Alpha. So on that note, my suggestion would be to train up your core skills (which now train at double the speed), which will improve your overall performance (i.e. makes your able to fit modules better, do more damage with weapons, be a bit more tankier).

It really depends a lot on how you got your PLEX in the first place. If you want to continue on with that career to make isk or try something else.

Quote:
I'm also self sufficient, I like to craft my own gear / ships. And here is the first very important question. Is there any bpo from high level ships sold by npc? I tried for example to look for mining barge bpos, and only found players selling them for 2billhion average market price. If there's no npc bpo from this kind, where those come from?


Forget about being self-sufficient. It isn't practical at this point. Sure you can make your own ships and ammo, but at your skill level, it distracts you from training skills that would make other aspects of the game more fun and efficient.



He seems like an industrial type, pretty sure he filed how you like to play the game under the IDGAF section.


I actually have a file filled with people that play like he likes to play the game labled as "target suggestions".

That's not me being snappy or funny, I actually have one.
We have an internal mailing list specifically for this kind of thing , gotta do something in-between contracts.

Point is, you may not care for PvP but you need to be cognisant of it, even in highsec.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2017-02-02 22:35:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Orakkus
LouHodo wrote:


I dont agree with this. You can be "limited" self sufficient if you make ammo and replacement ships, without any great skill investment. I do it on my toon for mission running and exploration. I dont need T2 ammo or much else other than basic junk for most combat sites I run into, I produce all I need at night, 1 run of 50x100 of some missile type. I buy my resources at the market and easily cut my overhead.



I'll grant you that it is possible in some areas to be limited in self sufficiency, but in general, it isn't. For example, until the OP has gotten into strip mining, his only costs are going to purchasing a ship, mining lasers, and some drones. He MIGHT have to replace the drones once in a while, but if he is reasonably aware of his surroundings then he'll never have to replace those ships for a long time. Because of that, spending time/effort/isk into buying the necessary materials/BPCs/BPOs and learning how to build what he needs is really just a waste of time.

If he sticks with Omega however, then the story changes and it can become a better option.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2017-02-02 22:37:01 UTC
I wouldn't worry about being self-sufficient any time soon. It takes a good number of skills to make do all that yourself, so you will be spread pretty thin training wise. It may be better to do one thing really well first- then branch out.

For example if you try to make isk by running missions, you'll need to put some time into hull, tanking, weapon, and obviously core skills- which is difficult if you are also trying to train to reprocess materials, research BPO's, salvage, manufacture modules , manufacture rigs, haul it all around........Remember Eve is an MMO, it's meant to be played with other people, you aren't meant to do everything yourself- it is possible but takes a long time to train the skills high enough to make it worth your while. You are better off doing something well and maximizing your profit from that.

Playing with friends can allow you to concentrate on skills that make you useful rather than self-reliant. For example instead of making your own Rifter hulls and a dozen modules/rigs, you can train to light the cyno for the 100mil SP guy with the jump freighter who can deliver you whole hangars worth of hulls and modules in one go. Likewise, once you get to that level are you better served having trained a dozen or two skills to make stuff-- or better off putting that time into learning to fly a jump freighter and simply load up at a market and move stuff en masse to where you need it?

Yeah you can eventually do it all...but it's a long way off to where that is better than just relying on the fact that Eve Online has tens of thousands of other players all making and breaking stuff constantly.





ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2017-02-03 00:44:49 UTC
Murkalael Arbinger wrote:
I finally was able to buy my very first PLEX and got overwhelmed with how much alphas were kept from. So here's the thing, from the new trees of avaiable skills I pretty much want to increase everything right now, but on the contrary of what I thought you can't train several skills at same time, you can only queue them. I like everything on the game (except the pvp part), so I'm kinda undecided what to raise first. What skill you guys suggest to raise first to make quick isk before 30 days expire?

That sounds like a great way to turn a game into a job.

Murkalael Arbinger wrote:

I'm also self sufficient, I like to craft my own gear / ships.

I've always been the kind of person that has like to craft most of my own stuff in other MMOs. However in Eve we have no crafting. We have the market and big industry.

In a game set in some village from way back in time before electricity was being used it made sense that one could "craft" things. I doubt that you'd even think of making your own car from scratch IRL and I doubt even more that you'd want to do a one-off build of a spaceship from raw minerals on your own either.

It also plays out that way in game. Here what makes sense is to find something, or a few things, that you can make isk at and make long runs of those. For everything else you just buy it off the market. You build based on profit and you buy based on need.

You don't have to play the game that way. It's your game and you can make as much of your own stuff as you want but your first question was how can I make lots of isk fast and spending a lot of your time running around trying to round up all the stuff needed to do a bunch of one-off builds or small batches of stuff isn't going to get you there.

At some point you might need to decide if you want to play the game for fun or if you want a second job to grind isk for a PLEX every month. I strongly recommend playing for maximum fun.

Murkalael Arbinger wrote:

And here is the first very important question. Is there any bpo from high level ships sold by npc? I tried for example to look for mining barge bpos, and only found players selling them for 2billhion average market price. If there's no npc bpo from this kind, where those come from?

Mining Barges are sold by O.R.E a.k.a. Outer Ring Excavators. They exist in a region of null sec called "The Outer Ring". The only place that you can buy O.R.E. BPOs is from O.R.E. staions. The trip out there is dangerous but more importantly the trip back is just as bad if not worse. The BPOs cost over a Billion isk. The route and undocking areas of the stations are often camped by players looking for a Billion + isk payday.

If you would like to know what the NPC prices of those BPOs are you can run out there in a rookie ship with no implants and check prices once you get in region. Either that or you can do a search for "Outer Ring" in the "Corporation" category of the "People & Places" UI and then do a "show info" on "Outer Ring Excavations" and then go to the "Market Activity" tab and see what they have sold recently and for how much.

Also worth noting is that you can find researched BPOs in conracts as only "packaged" stuff can be sold on the market.

https://eve-central.com/home/typesearch.html?search=blueprint

Eve-central can be a decent place to look up market pricing but when it comes to null sec only NPC items you might be hard pressed to find prices there. Most other stuff however you can find reasonably accurate pricing there.

I think that what you will find is that the premium that they are charging for bringing the BPO to high sec is probably worth it.

As far as bigger T1 ships go only the ships that belong to the race of the region that you are in will be available from local NPC sell orders. Some modules work that way also. So if you want a Minmatar ship BS or bigger or an auto cannon BPO then you will need to go to Minmatar space for an NPC sell order. If you want a Hybrid ammo BPO you will need to go to Caldari or Galentte space for those BPOs etc...

It might be that all ship BPOs are only available in a region controlled by that race and I could be thinking of the skillbooks. But I am pretty sure that one or the other is available BC and down in other regions. The more that I think about the more I think that it might be skillbooks. I've been living in null sec for so long that empire details like this are getting fuzzy for me.

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