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Give us the ability to edit our posts in chat channels ingame.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#21 - 2016-11-26 18:09:15 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Erm...

the ability to edit what you have said in a chat channel will give them the ability to change raven navy issue to raven after they have posted it.

I'm not really sure why you think the ability to edit text after it is posted will not be used to edit text after it has been posted to hide a scam instead of correct a minor typo.

And why would the scammers change out the 'Raven Navy Issue' text to 'Raven' after they have posted the 'Raven Navy Issue' scam?

The text is already fixed before they posts the scam.

If they want to scam, they have to pretend it to be a 'Raven Navy Issue' that they are selling and not a Raven in that case, or else it's not a scam anylonger. And in this case, they have already made the final post of the scam they are posting where they don't have the need to edit the text on the scam.

But correct me if i'm wrong here. I'm not doing scams in any shape of form, so i have only seen what's been posted in local chat and so on for the 12 years i have been playing EVE.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2016-11-26 18:12:21 UTC
To hide the fact that it was a scam in the first place. To cover their tracks. To remove the evidence. To ensure that the logs really do show nothing.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#23 - 2016-11-26 18:16:35 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
To hide the fact that it was a scam in the first place. To cover their tracks. To remove the evidence. To ensure that the logs really do show nothing.

Then add an 'Edit History' button / window that shows all of the edits you have done on top of the 'Edit Text' button then. Problem solved Big smile.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2016-11-26 18:20:32 UTC
And it would take twelve seconds to push scams so deep into the history of such a window that they'd never be found...
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#25 - 2016-11-26 18:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Danika Princip wrote:
And it would take twelve seconds to push scams so deep into the history of such a window that they'd never be found...

Not if CCP make the 'Edit History' window in the correct way. It's all possible to make it so everything is really structured and easy to find.

A modern chat client today have all of those abilities, so i see no reasons why CCP can't make their chat channels ingame better.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-11-26 18:28:13 UTC
I have a hard time believing that you are naive enough to believe that this would not be used for malice.
The ability to harass some one and then cover your tracks could get out of control, even with a history. How far back is a reasonable edit history?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#27 - 2016-11-26 18:38:55 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I have a hard time believing that you are naive enough to believe that this would not be used for malice.
The ability to harass some one and then cover your tracks could get out of control, even with a history. How far back is a reasonable edit history?

It will be in the kinda same way as the 'Wallet' and 'Journal' is. There you can set / choose the date on where you want to look at what you have bought and so on.

If this is done the right way, you wont be able to hide your scamming history at all. Poor developing from earlier shouldn't prevent things ingame from being better when good developers can fix this today.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2016-11-26 18:50:32 UTC
So what, 20 entries a page?

How many people are going to go back multiple pages to find the one scam edit?
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#29 - 2016-11-26 18:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Danika Princip wrote:
So what, 20 entries a page?

How many people are going to go back multiple pages to find the one scam edit?

Peoples who want to find scammers will go far for finding that out. So again, no issues with this if done right.

At least the ability to find them will be there.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-11-26 19:07:03 UTC
This is still about finding the post and not how many edits of said post are cached.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#31 - 2016-11-26 19:20:22 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
This is still about finding the post and not how many edits of said post are cached.

I see what you are thinking on here.

But this should be all possible to fix inside this 'Edit History' window that you can get to pop up by going to this 'Edit History' window where you will first see the 'original post' and the 'edited post' after that on what they have said. With that, you can see what they have originally said and then tried to edit out.

I fully understands that this will be needed to have here if this 'edit post' thing will be a reality so you can't hide your scamming. So it's all about finding the right way of getting this done properly.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#32 - 2016-11-26 21:25:55 UTC
So how about a spelling correction instead? I have one since I run on Linux and it underlines all my spelling errors.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#33 - 2016-11-26 21:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
elitatwo wrote:
So how about a spelling correction instead? I have one since I run on Linux and it underlines all my spelling errors.

If that's optional and something you can turn on or off, then why not Big smile ?

We have spelling correction on our smartphones today that you can choose to turn on or off. Whatever that makes chatting better is something i support.

But i still think most peoples would like to edit their posts over having spelling correction though.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#34 - 2017-02-02 23:51:15 UTC
Anyone else with any inputs on this?

I still think that it would be neat to be able to have this ability with an 'Edit History' ofc.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Lugh Crow-Slave
#35 - 2017-02-03 00:24:47 UTC
it's not needed and i'm sure it would not be simmple to do

-1
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#36 - 2017-02-03 02:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
it's not needed and i'm sure it would not be simmple to do

-1

Alot of things in EVE is not simple to do, so that shouldn't be an excuse to not do it, just because it can be challenging to do.

And could you explain why it wouldn't be needed?

The EVE forum, Slack, Facebook and many other social medias and stuffs like that allows you to edit what you have posted. So i don't see why we can't have the same in EVE ingame in the chats.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

mkint
#37 - 2017-02-03 03:19:49 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Anyone else with any inputs on this?

I still think that it would be neat to be able to have this ability with an 'Edit History' ofc.

Yeah, no. The *fixword people are showing personality flaws in trying to fix their typos to begin with. You made a mistake. Own it. If the meaning is clear, trying to retcon yourself is dishonest, vain, etc, especially if you're actually trying to change the meaning of the statement. Chat channels are not the same thing as collaboration tools. If you get tongue tied in a real conversation do you go "ok, everybody stop. I said stop talking! Just now when I stumbled over my words, what I meant to say was 'them' not 'then.' Ok, now you can continue your conversations, you have my permission."? No, because that would be insane. You still get that in chat channels even if you can edit, because people who do that in that kind of venue ARE insane. With a collaboration tool, on the other hand, it makes more sense. The kind of venue where your words last longer than a couple of seconds, warrants an option to edit. That's not a normal chat channel.

So, I disagree on the grounds that doing development exclusively for crazy people to be even more crazy is a bad investment.

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Cade Windstalker
#38 - 2017-02-03 04:10:47 UTC
Nope, this would be actively detrimental to the game in one of two major ways.

Either CCP does a quick job of it and you've just given scammers a massive tool and everyone can no longer trust un-logged chat records because that person's response could be to something other than what is currently written there. If you said something then live with the consequences, if you made a typo that's what the asterisk is four.

*for.

Alternatively CCP takes a ton of time that could be spent on any number of other, more useful, things to develop a rich chat client with tons of features and smart editing that clamps down on scam-edits, locks posts after various conditions are met, and various other things. But that would be a massive waste of time and money on CCP's part because they're not a chat-client company they're an internet-spaceships company and, despite what some alliances seem to think, you can't kill someone with local.
Van Doe
#39 - 2017-02-03 09:17:43 UTC
I double your isk

Ups i mean i tripple your isk

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#40 - 2017-02-03 15:12:46 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
With Gmail, you can actually recall the email you have sent. Here is more info about it: http://bgr.com/2015/06/23/how-to-recall-email-in-gmail/.

You are inccorect, even with this new "feature" you cannot recall and email that has been sent. A quote from your linked page.

"The feature is really quite simple; it basically configures a delay on your Send button. Instead of firing off your emails when you click Send, it holds them for however long you configure, and then sends them. This way, if you realize you sent something you didn’t mean to, you can recall it."

In reality all this feature does is implement a delay between when you press the send button and when the software actually sends the email on it's way through the internet to it's destination, but once it has actually begun it's trip there is no way to recall or edit it.

-1 to this idea.
Chat logs are often the only thing a player has access to that would prove a legitimate case of harassment, or other violation of the TOS. Allowing for a person to go back and edit their chat entries would allow them to conceal this type of activity for this reason alone your idea is a really bad one. No I do not care how often this may happen, the simple fact that it "could" happen if CCP implemented your idea is enough to say no to your idea.

I am going to catch heat for this but I simply do not care. We have become a worldwide society that relies on our computers to do the thinking for us. Instead of taking a few moments to read BEFORE we post we want to be able to recall things AFTER we post. Perhaps it is my age, but I grew up in a time when you could not simply recall a comment made and you often suffered a slap in the face as a result of an inappropriate comment. One either lived with a perpetually bruised and sore face, or one learned to think before speaking. How does this apply to EvE and our chat channels? simply consider the fallout from a poorly worded chat to be the replacement for that slap in the face, accept that you made the mistake (own it as they say now), learn from it and think BEFORE you write, and review BEFORE you send and most of those problems you want to solve by editing a chat will never happen to start with.
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