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Worst battleships?
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Mikkir
SHINKETSU Inc.
#1 - 2017-02-02 05:02:23 UTC
Just curious, what are the worst battleships in the game right now?

I get some ships are niche ships, like the rokh being a fleet ship, but which ones are just terrible?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2017-02-02 05:24:54 UTC
Worst for what exactly?

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Mikkir
SHINKETSU Inc.
#3 - 2017-02-02 05:37:35 UTC
I was thinking about which ship fails to fill any niche, but I've been away from the game for a while so I don't have the feeling for it I use to have. I know the tempest use to be considered pretty poor, not sure if the rate of fire bonus made made it more popular.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#4 - 2017-02-02 06:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
I don't think there are necessarily any bad battleships, but if we're talking PvE missioning I would be very hesitant to use any of the T1s like the Rokh, Tempest, Abbadon, Scorpion, etc. Pirate Faction hulls have come down substantially in price and will literally outperform most if not all Navy battleships as well. As you pointed out, some of these ships are better-suited for PvP and fleet combat.

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Boozbaz
Securitech Industries
#5 - 2017-02-02 07:48:33 UTC
Tempest Fleet issue is bad value. The vanilla tempest has better bonuses than the fleet issue.
YeuxVerts Belle
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2017-02-02 08:23:56 UTC
Boozbaz wrote:
Tempest Fleet issue is bad value. The vanilla tempest has better bonuses than the fleet issue.


Does that make it a bad ship?

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Cleaning Crew
#7 - 2017-02-02 09:03:49 UTC
YeuxVerts Belle wrote:
Boozbaz wrote:
Tempest Fleet issue is bad value. The vanilla tempest has better bonuses than the fleet issue.


Does that make it a bad ship?


Well it has more Tank, an extra low slot and an extra flight of lights , but has less DPS (2.5% per level). So its better in several ways but also twice the price.

For a few extra isk (tens of mil) you can get a Mach, Pretty much a Fleet tempest that swaps a free high for an extra gun (more DPS), gets even more drones, more speed, faster warp, faster align and better range.

The main issue is that Pirate BPCs have come down in price too much due to farming. Not that long ago a Pirate BS was 1Bil which made the progression fine.
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#8 - 2017-02-02 09:41:49 UTC
The Rokh seems to be a bit lackluster to me. That it is used with smartbombs most of the time is a bit sad.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2017-02-02 13:16:02 UTC
I actually get great use out of the Rokh with a MJD and rails. I'm not a fan of the Apocalypse, or maybe any T1 amarr battleship. Armour tanks are always very slow active tanks and it feels like trying to juggle enough capacitor, two reps, and still finding Scorch isn't as effective as I'd hoped it would be compared to even Barrage in large AC's.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#10 - 2017-02-02 19:50:36 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
I actually get great use out of the Rokh with a MJD and rails. I'm not a fan of the Apocalypse, or maybe any T1 amarr battleship. Armour tanks are always very slow active tanks and it feels like trying to juggle enough capacitor, two reps, and still finding Scorch isn't as effective as I'd hoped it would be compared to even Barrage in large AC's.

Paladin is a beast but it was a breeze fitting a cap stable dual rep tank on that golden God


Rokh + 500mn mwd goes 832m/s

Apocalypse + 500mn mwd goes 1077m/s

Please elaborate what your perception of "slow armor battleship" means and someone please explain why someone would put 3x 1600mm armor plates on a kiting ship?

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aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#11 - 2017-02-02 22:02:00 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
I actually get great use out of the Rokh with a MJD and rails. I'm not a fan of the Apocalypse, or maybe any T1 amarr battleship. Armour tanks are always very slow active tanks and it feels like trying to juggle enough capacitor, two reps, and still finding Scorch isn't as effective as I'd hoped it would be compared to even Barrage in large AC's.

Paladin is a beast but it was a breeze fitting a cap stable dual rep tank on that golden God


Rokh + 500mn mwd goes 832m/s

Apocalypse + 500mn mwd goes 1077m/s

Please elaborate what your perception of "slow armor battleship" means and someone please explain why someone would put 3x 1600mm armor plates on a kiting ship?


It slows it down so its easier to fly around corners otherwise it would flip over Lol
Valkin Mordirc
#12 - 2017-02-02 22:07:35 UTC
Not to mention that the Naga completely over takes the Rohk as a rail sniper. Faster, better sensor strength, and better damage
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Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2017-02-03 00:25:22 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
I actually get great use out of the Rokh with a MJD and rails. I'm not a fan of the Apocalypse, or maybe any T1 amarr battleship. Armour tanks are always very slow active tanks and it feels like trying to juggle enough capacitor, two reps, and still finding Scorch isn't as effective as I'd hoped it would be compared to even Barrage in large AC's.

Paladin is a beast but it was a breeze fitting a cap stable dual rep tank on that golden God


Rokh + 500mn mwd goes 832m/s

Apocalypse + 500mn mwd goes 1077m/s

Please elaborate what your perception of "slow armor battleship" means and someone please explain why someone would put 3x 1600mm armor plates on a kiting ship?


You've got me confused, I meant Large Armor Reps vs Large or X-Large shield boosters have a much longer activation time. I like dual armor repair tanks I just have a tough time fitting the Apocalypse for fights below 100km the same way I would other armor tanked ships.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#14 - 2017-02-03 12:16:39 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Please elaborate what your perception of "slow armor battleship" means and someone please explain why someone would put 3x 1600mm armor plates on a kiting ship?

I think he meant the armor repair cycle time vs. shield booster recharge time. You totally lost me with the three 1600mm armor plates, though...

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Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#15 - 2017-02-03 12:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Not to mention that the Naga completely over takes the Rohk as a rail sniper. Faster, better sensor strength, and better damage


I guess THAT is the biggest problem that the Rokh has. The resistance bonus is great for tanking stuff and the range bonus is great for kiting stuff. Two OK bonuses but for two different tactics. And if you go for blasters there are better battleships in the Galente line. Now if the Rokh had a range and a tracking bonus, that would be a nice combo.
(But in that case range + tracking on the Naga and range + damage on the Rokh would be even better?)
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#16 - 2017-02-03 14:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Caldari rokh
Amarr abbadon
Gallete hyperion
Minmatar tempest fleet

Just my view of current worst

Give rokh more bandwith and drone bay so it is more of a battleship and sniper second.
Tanky ships don't hold high value in my books
Fleet tempest is left in the dust when t1 tempest got dmg buff it's less than mediocre.
You want dmg go tempest,you want better all go machariel you want none of that(but pay as much) go fleet tempest.

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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2017-02-03 15:12:55 UTC
A better question is just- what battleships see the least use at any given type of content?

Considering the number of threads here asking what is best, you can probably deduce the least popular ones from their absence on that list.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#18 - 2017-02-03 19:34:07 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
A better question is just- what battleships see the least use at any given type of content?

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#19 - 2017-02-03 21:23:39 UTC
Mikkir wrote:
Just curious, what are the worst battleships in the game right now?

I get some ships are niche ships, like the rokh being a fleet ship, but which ones are just terrible?


The Rokh is DANK as a mining ship, I have one just for that, it's beautiful to see her doing that, plus the skins for the Rokh are cheap.

Apart from that, yeah no FC I know want it in any situation except smartbombing gates.

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Valkin Mordirc
#20 - 2017-02-03 22:35:46 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Caldari rokh
Amarr abbadon
Gallete hyperion
Minmatar tempest fleet

Just my view of current worst

Give rokh more bandwith and drone bay so it is more of a battleship and sniper second.
Tanky ships don't hold high value in my books
Fleet tempest is left in the dust when t1 tempest got dmg buff it's less than mediocre.
You want dmg go tempest,you want better all go machariel you want none of that(but pay as much) go fleet tempest.



I would disagree with the Hype being a bad ship. Dual repped, and triple repped hypes are extremely powerful. With a 3% PwG implant, you can run Ion's, heavy neut, Gecko's, and all the other furnishing of a standard triple repped hype but with 1000DPS.

On a fair 1v1 encounter with any of the other T1 battleships, the only real problem a hype would have troubles deal with would be a Geddon or a typhoon.
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