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Incursions: CCP is too slow - now we will act

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Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#521 - 2012-01-20 20:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Istersly
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Sin Istersly & Herzog Wolfhammer…
Post #514 & 515...
go back and look em up... its worth the effort.

Kudos! Beautiful man… just effin beautiful. My daughter and I have talked about how punishments, whether a talking to or a spanking, help her learn that doing bad things is wrong and can hurt you... but I love her and I am teaching her.. not abusing.

She told me she knows there is a difference...

Krissda’s gonna have a COW when she reads those 2 posts!! \o/


Lol, indeed. I'm glad to see their are people out there that still actively parent Tur, kudos to you as well.

On a side note:
Personally I'm surprised anyone who's spent even a limited amount of time on youtube, and seen at least one or two of those spoiled brat videos would even make the attempt to argue against spankings.

Although, we should get back to topic before the admins do as Simi commands and locks this thread. I'm enjoying this tear fest far too much to see this thread die lol.

Also Simi, I never said I beat kids. (I DID say 'beat there ass' and 'beating' as terms, but your taking the literal sense, not the intended meaning, which I think I made fairly clear.) I said I spank them. Their is a HUGE difference between spanking and punishing your children, and your drunk father whooping your butt nightly because your the only thing he's capable of picking on. I do not condone beating. I condone reasonable punishment and karma. You can either let your kid do wtf ever he wants until someone bigger who doesnt like to be mouthed off teaches him for you, or you can teach them early on that being a dousche in life has painful, sometimes very painful consequences. Dont let your kids first life lesson also be his last. I love my kids, I dont want them to mouth off to some guy with a gun someday and get shot in the face. If I'm a bad guy in your eyes for that, so be it. Your opinion is noted.

In the end, I'm wouldnt be surprised if the world tears itself apart with all the whiney brats and babies slaughtering each other over who had that parking spot first, and who cut off who. Meanwhile, we sensible people will sit back, laugh, have a few drinks, maybe even smoke a bowl, and wonder how long it will take before we're rid of all these morons, and whether or not we'll have to step in to finish off the last of them. Cheers.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#522 - 2012-01-20 20:44:47 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:
Also Simi, I never said I beat kids. (I DID say 'beat there ass' and 'beating' as terms, but your taking the literal sense, not the intended meaning, which I think I made fairly clear.) I said I spank them. Their is a HUGE difference between spanking and punishing your children, and your drunk father whooping your butt nightly because your the only thing he's capable of picking on. I do not condone beating. I condone reasonable punishment and karma. You can either let your kid do wtf ever he wants until someone bigger who doesnt like to be mouthed off teaches him for you, or you can teach them early on that being a dousche in life has painful, sometimes very painful consequences. Dont let your kids first life lesson also be his last. I love my kids, I dont want them to mouth off to some guy with a gun someday and get shot in the face. If I'm a bad guy in your eyes for that, so be it. Your opinion is noted.

In the end, I'm wouldnt be surprised if the world tears itself apart with all the whiney brats and babies slaughtering each other over who had that parking spot first, and who cut off who. Meanwhile, we sensible people will sit back, laugh, have a few drinks, maybe even smoke a bowl, and wonder how long it will take before we're rid of all these morons, and whether or not we'll have to step in to finish off the last of them. Cheers.

I know, I was joking Lol

Although to be honest I think those oddly delusional "I'm a special snowflake" children don't come about purely as a result of a lack of physical punishment. Just as common is neglect, or a failure to identify between good attention and bad attention. E.g. not paying attention to your child unless he is bad can lead to him always being bad, even if the way in you which you pay attention is by punishing him.

Anyway, putting aside the complexities of child psychology, there is a lot to be said in favor of punching some children in the face.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#523 - 2012-01-20 20:52:31 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:

I know, I was joking Lol

Although to be honest I think those oddly delusional "I'm a special snowflake" children don't come about purely as a result of a lack of physical punishment. Just as common is neglect, or a failure to identify between good attention and bad attention. E.g. not paying attention to your child unless he is bad can lead to him always being bad, even if the way in you which you pay attention is by punishing him.

Anyway, putting aside the complexities of child psychology, there is a lot to be said in favor of punching some children in the face.


Aside from the punching a kid in the face (I suggest spanking, doesnt leave marks for CPS) I fully approve this message. Big smile
RiskyFrisky
Halliburton Heavy Industries
#524 - 2012-01-20 22:07:46 UTC
Another Mum down.

Armor Drake is still alive.

HAIL LORD XENU!
Hoxothul
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#525 - 2012-01-20 22:13:21 UTC
RiskyFrisky wrote:
Another Mum down.

Armor Drake is still alive.

HAIL LORD XENU!


You didn't even get shot at once :( Was planning on not repping the armor drake!
Mikal Red
Vanguard Research
#526 - 2012-01-20 22:13:47 UTC
Another one down... xD
Lysaeus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#527 - 2012-01-20 22:20:05 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:
I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying.


So you find the deaths of others satisfying?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#528 - 2012-01-20 22:21:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Good job.

EDIT: OUT-F**KING-Standing job!

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
G0hme
Illusion of Flight
#529 - 2012-01-20 22:36:22 UTC
COMBAT LOGISTICS!

Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012

Shook CCP Soundwave's hand at Fanfest 2013

Got NPC API removed from Wormhole Space.
Findail
Quid Plorus
#530 - 2012-01-20 22:36:33 UTC
Hoxothul wrote:
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Wow, somebody actually got it right!

We do not want Incursions removed, we do not want to permanently stop high sec carebears from playing the game either.

What we want is that highsec incursions gets balanced, in regards to both Risk vs Reward and raw ISK injection to the game.

Reduce the amount of raw ISK that are being given per side and boost the LP somewhat to make up for it. Furthermore, whenever the Mothership do spawn, rest of the sites should stop spawning, forcing the community to actually kill the Mothership and end the incursion, as it was intended from the beginning.


If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed.
Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare.
Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....

Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?
Hoxothul
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#531 - 2012-01-20 22:40:22 UTC
Findail wrote:


If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed.
Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare.
Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....

Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?



No, because moons do not spew out raw ISK, they throw out materials that people people have to buy.

Same goes for wormholes, it does not generate actual ISK, it generates materials that other people have to buy.

On top of that, wormhole sites are not infinite, you cannot farm sites endlessly in your wormhole.
Findail
Quid Plorus
#532 - 2012-01-20 22:47:46 UTC
Hoxothul wrote:
Findail wrote:


If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed.
Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare.
Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....

Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?



No, because moons do not spew out raw ISK, they throw out materials that people people have to buy.

Same goes for wormholes, it does not generate actual ISK, it generates materials that other people have to buy.

On top of that, wormhole sites are not infinite, you cannot farm sites endlessly in your wormhole.


Semantics.

Moons are worse than incursions - they require minimal player effort vs reward. The reward far outweighs the effort and risk.
The minerals need to deplete, to force players to be more active in finding new sources.

How many billions per day out of wormholes is excessive? They too don't deplete. Maybe they need to be changed to increase both risk, and reliance on other regions for materials in order to survive. Maybe even add some t3 materials to exploration sites, which would encourage more people to do exploration, and bring a bit more balance to w-space.
Lysaeus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#533 - 2012-01-20 22:48:12 UTC
Findail wrote:
If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed.
Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare.
Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....

Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?


You fail to realize that none of the things you mentioned are actual isk injections to the market. These examples represent isk transfers whereas incursions represent a large scale isk injection into the economy. As for moon mining, want the prices to go down, stop buying tech 2. Want wormhole loot prices to go down, convince more people to move into wormhole space. Done.
Andy Kusoni
Lead Farmers
#534 - 2012-01-20 22:51:01 UTC
Findail wrote:

If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed.
Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare.
Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....

Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?



Moon minerals and wormhole loot aren't raw isk. They are used in producing modules and ships that are generally beneficial and fun to use for the entire eve playerbase.

Raw isk is PvE content that gives you a bounty payout, not an item payout. We dislike PvE that does not provide a service other than direct isk reward.

IMO, there shouldn't be very few bounties at all in this game. Income from PvE should be in the form of things that drop and can be sold (eg: salvage, modules, ammo, BPCs).
Sedilis
Lead Farmers
#535 - 2012-01-20 23:17:25 UTC
We win you lose.

No incursions for you this weekend Twisted
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#536 - 2012-01-20 23:22:58 UTC
Starfleet is arguing in our channel because we apparently failed, because while we popped all the moms, we had to make a formup time to do it.

Yup. That's what the bears are reduced to.

"They had to plan in order to accomplish thier goals! Fail!"

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#537 - 2012-01-20 23:25:07 UTC
Wtf? No incursions up in highsec.
All incursion runners are screaming in their channels.

I love C&P Oops
Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#538 - 2012-01-20 23:28:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Sedilis wrote:
We win you lose.

No incursions for you this weekend Twisted


Another one is due in about 4-6 hours
The other 2 will be back tom night

You guys are on the right track...
The real trick is...
Can you beat the goonswarm record :3

♞
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#539 - 2012-01-20 23:30:24 UTC
While slowboating in AP to the Amarr system, I never saw such a flood of WTZing gate to gate faction ships.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Hera Chawla
Blue-Fire
#540 - 2012-01-20 23:33:28 UTC