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Assault frigates soaring
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Omniwing
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#1 - 2012-01-20 22:03:28 UTC
Buy them now, you know they've been talking about buffing them for a really long time now, their time is nigh.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#2 - 2012-01-20 22:04:29 UTC
They already soared so, yes, if you want to hop on the bandwagon this late, by all means, buy them.

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Onlyasandwich
NewsRadio
#3 - 2012-01-20 22:31:26 UTC
Please, purchase them for twice the build cost. I'm sure they'll soar into BC hull range!
Jaa-Ko Arakal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-01-20 22:31:34 UTC
If you were trying to make money off of this you really should have bought some assault frigs a few weeks ago when the buff was leaked.
Breaker77
Reclamation Industries
#5 - 2012-01-21 02:13:09 UTC
Jaa-Ko Arakal wrote:
If you were trying to make money off of this you really should have bought some assault frigs a few weeks ago when the buff was leaked.


What buff? We are all still waiting for them to have their 4th bonus as promised years ago!!! Tweaking is not a buff. Adding the 4th bonus would be a buff. All CCP is doing is trying to get people to forget that AFs are still missing 25% of their intended usefulness!
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-21 06:47:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
If you wished to buy cheap and sell high, that train already went.

If you seek a potential market for invention, AFs could be it. Depends on how the demand for them develops. Before the spike due to announced buffs happened, demand was fairly low which, in turn, means that invention activity was low. If demand elevates (from actual users, not just speculators who orchestrated the current price spike), there could be ISK to be made.

Problem is that it takes a while to set up ship invention "assembly line" and the train may have already left by the time your first AF comes out of the oven. Depends on how many inventors got the exact same idea and how much there will be supply...

Real market warriors look for things like this the first second a rumor about buff/nerf comes out and act accordingly. Black Belt market dudes go for secondary effects ("if this change means that thingy X becomes popular, what is unique to the manufacturing of thingy X and how large the effect to the market of that would it be if bunch of people started to build more of thingy X" etc. or "if this change means thingy X becomes popular, what other thingy is bound to become less popular?")

The wonderful world of Market PvP. In many cases you don't know "you've been ganked" until it is far too late to do anything about it any more. Lol

(Free tip; If AFs become popular as tacklers in PvP, it could hit the demand of Interceptors, potentially driving down the price of those... the market is a sum of its parts, something gets more popular and it is bound to come off something else)
Ambo
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#7 - 2012-01-21 08:10:22 UTC
Actually, I would think that AFs being used as tackle would impact popular 'heavy tackle' cruisers such as the stabber rather than inties.

Inties still have a far superior lock time making them the better choice for 'fast tackle' (unless you have some remote seboing going on, in which case you can use whatever you want)

I would also think that the proportion of stabbers that are used as heavy tackle is fairly low so this is unlikely to have a particularly noticeable effect.
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#8 - 2012-01-21 09:51:59 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
If you wished to buy cheap and sell high, that train already went.

If you seek a potential market for invention, AFs could be it. Depends on how the demand for them develops. Before the spike due to announced buffs happened, demand was fairly low which, in turn, means that invention activity was low. If demand elevates (from actual users, not just speculators who orchestrated the current price spike), there could be ISK to be made.

Problem is that it takes a while to set up ship invention "assembly line" and the train may have already left by the time your first AF comes out of the oven. Depends on how many inventors got the exact same idea and how much there will be supply...

Real market warriors look for things like this the first second a rumor about buff/nerf comes out and act accordingly. Black Belt market dudes go for secondary effects ("if this change means that thingy X becomes popular, what is unique to the manufacturing of thingy X and how large the effect to the market of that would it be if bunch of people started to build more of thingy X" etc. or "if this change means thingy X becomes popular, what other thingy is bound to become less popular?")

The wonderful world of Market PvP. In many cases you don't know "you've been ganked" until it is far too late to do anything about it any more. Lol

(Free tip; If AFs become popular as tacklers in PvP, it could hit the demand of Interceptors, potentially driving down the price of those... the market is a sum of its parts, something gets more popular and it is bound to come off something else)


This

Once the rumor hit I started retooling my lines a bit and started mass copying the T1 frigate BPCs since that tends to be the bottleneck.

Will wait and see just how much they spike. Invention is a fast process once you have all the materials handy.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#9 - 2012-01-21 11:29:05 UTC
Omniwing wrote:
Buy them now, you know they've been talking about buffing them for a really long time now, their time is nigh.


Both in RL and EvE markets, by the time you see the news, it's already WAY too late to get in and profit.

There's a reason why in my country the retail shareholders who buy after reading on newspaper or TV are called "cows market".

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roigon
TURN LEFT
#10 - 2012-01-21 12:26:00 UTC
As far as I'm concerned it's already over. Bought retri's and veng's at rougly 16M the second i heard the news about a month ago. Have since already sold all of them between 20M 22M 24M. I operate from amarr so didn't get into the other AF's

And I wasn't the only one, a few hours later the price was already at 17-18M for both.
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#11 - 2012-01-21 14:02:12 UTC
Omniwing wrote:
Assault frigates have soared

Fixed that.

Damn nature, you scary!
Jenny Hong
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#12 - 2012-01-21 18:52:36 UTC
Now watch, instead of buffing AF's, they'll nerf the poop out of them, and everybody will scream :)

But other than that, eh, I bought my Hawk and my Ishkur a long time ago.
Specctor
Zealot's
Sigma Grindset
#13 - 2012-01-23 14:58:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Specctor
Ambo wrote:
Actually, I would think that AFs being used as tackle would impact popular 'heavy tackle' cruisers such as the stabber rather than inties.

Inties still have a far superior lock time making them the better choice for 'fast tackle' (unless you have some remote seboing going on, in which case you can use whatever you want)

I would also think that the proportion of stabbers that are used as heavy tackle is fairly low so this is unlikely to have a particularly noticeable effect.


Back in 2006 your concept of heavy tackle would apply. I think the gentleman was correct in his prediction and perhaps the intie will take a hit but lets not forget assault frigs aren't as fast as ceptor(as ambo said). On a side note AF's now being fairly decent they could be the new weapon of choice for any solo pvpers who aren't rich/confident enough to whizz about in say a cynabal...

Rather than replacing the intie I think they will rather fill a different niche altogether.
Fleshbot
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-01-23 18:44:54 UTC
Omniwing wrote:
Buy them now, you know they've been talking about buffing them for a really long time now, their time is nigh.


Youa re late to the game for AFs, but look at Electronic Attack frigates for the next move.

From the CSM meeting minutes,

Electronic Attack Ships: The CSM would like Electronic Attack Ships to impact ships that are immune to electronic warfare, such as supercapitals. The CSM noted that to rebalance EAS properly, EAS will need more survivability and combat functionality, in addition to being able to impact ewar-immune ships.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#15 - 2012-01-23 19:26:20 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
If you wished to buy cheap and sell high, that train already went.

If you seek a potential market for invention, AFs could be it. Depends on how the demand for them develops. Before the spike due to announced buffs happened, demand was fairly low which, in turn, means that invention activity was low. If demand elevates (from actual users, not just speculators who orchestrated the current price spike), there could be ISK to be made.

Problem is that it takes a while to set up ship invention "assembly line" and the train may have already left by the time your first AF comes out of the oven. Depends on how many inventors got the exact same idea and how much there will be supply...

Real market warriors look for things like this the first second a rumor about buff/nerf comes out and act accordingly. Black Belt market dudes go for secondary effects ("if this change means that thingy X becomes popular, what is unique to the manufacturing of thingy X and how large the effect to the market of that would it be if bunch of people started to build more of thingy X" etc. or "if this change means thingy X becomes popular, what other thingy is bound to become less popular?")

The wonderful world of Market PvP. In many cases you don't know "you've been ganked" until it is far too late to do anything about it any more. Lol

(Free tip; If AFs become popular as tacklers in PvP, it could hit the demand of Interceptors, potentially driving down the price of those... the market is a sum of its parts, something gets more popular and it is bound to come off something else)


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