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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2017-01-30 22:02:10 UTC
naPasik wrote:


How long have you been playing this game that you haven´t noticed that the nature of it has changed. By the way i responded to someone else as well...its true I bought this toon in 2015. But been playing with my Ex main since 2011.


The nature of the game has not changed. It is still a sandbox. However, the behaviors in the game have changed, and since it is a sandbox it is up to you to deal with those changes not to have your views of the game imposed on the rest of us.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2017-01-30 22:05:40 UTC
naPasik wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
naPasik wrote:
. It should be exactly the other way around.


Why is your playstyle more valid than mine?


If we are talking about play style....at the moment yours is favoured around 75% so my question is why is YOUR play style more favoured than mine ??.... NEXT.....


Because that is how those players like to play? This is a sandbox game. If 75% like play style X then that is fine. If you don't like that is fine. Don't play according to X. However, it is a Sandbox game which means people get to pick their preferred play style.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#63 - 2017-01-30 22:10:34 UTC
naPasik wrote:
Quote:
I'm not asking for your playstyle to be deleted outright. You are asking for mine to be deleted outright.

I make my money with an industry alt and numerous PI alts. I also have another alt who covers the PVP ships Dani can't fly, and yet another alt skilled for a super. This is a playstyle that you are asking to be deleted.

So, I will ask you again. Why is your playstyle more valid than mine?



Right, I understand where you coming from...for you... Life in EVE is good the way it is at the moment ; and i can appreciate your concern of this possible change...My life in EVE is good too...I can come up with huge amounts of isk so this change would affect me too...but this is not about isk anymore,its about logging in and do something that makes my play relaxed and enjoyable....do something together with other players...for example having only one account and only one toon would encourage people to work together every time you need to light a cyno....thats one of the things....another example and this one is with regards to new players that join EVE...train up a little go to low sec...and loose the only fitted pvp ship they had to pirates....then uninstall the game and start playing World of tanks again.I mean we all did piracy at some point because we had no other choice to learn pvp and we killed a noob that asked us...and I quote ´´ WHY? WHY THE FU**K did you do that for?´´ If the option of choosing a positive or negative corp was in place...that guy would join a positive corp get help fit another ship be in a positive corp for ever chasing pirates. I personally would´ve been in a positive corp ever since 2011.I mean are you actually worried that CCP games might make this change??


So play that way. Who said you are the arbitrator of everyone else play style?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
naPasik
CONCORED INTERSTELLAR AFFAIRS
#64 - 2017-01-31 03:44:47 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
I...really don't think this is the game for you. Is tHere A sIngLe aSpect you don't wAnT ccp to chANge just to suit your whims?



I also just realized looking at your comment that all the capital letters in your phrase read ´´ I HAIL SATAN´´ have you got anything to say for yourself about that?
naPasik
CONCORED INTERSTELLAR AFFAIRS
#65 - 2017-01-31 04:02:03 UTC


Quote:
Define a positive corp. Goonswarm have, for a decade, been a great place for newbies to go, provide free ships, skillbooks, help and advice to members. Every other nullsec bloc does the same thing, as do most of the pirates you're so outraged by, yet you'd label everyone as a negative group and discourage people from joining them. Why is this?


So why didn´t you mention all the damn miner ganking in high sec? you forgot that part....and if I had noticed earlier your message with the capital letters on the first comment I would´ve told you to **** RIGHT OFF mate....shame on you ´´I HAIL SATAN ???´´
naPasik
CONCORED INTERSTELLAR AFFAIRS
#66 - 2017-01-31 04:05:14 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
I...really don't think this is the game for you. Is tHere A sIngLe aSpect you don't wAnT ccp to chANge just to suit your whims?




CCP please block this person from posting on this thread. I don´t want to speak to this person here anymore. the capital letters in his comment read...´´I HAIL SATAN´´ I don´t want to speak to Satanists
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#67 - 2017-01-31 05:47:03 UTC
naPasik wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
I...really don't think this is the game for you. Is tHere A sIngLe aSpect you don't wAnT ccp to chANge just to suit your whims?




CCP please block this person from posting on this thread. I don´t want to speak to this person here anymore. the capital letters in his comment read...´´I HAIL SATAN´´ I don´t want to speak to Satanists

If that sets you off, I have bad news for you buddy.


The lore of EVE has all of the following:

- An empire that enslaves people and uses neurotoxins to "keep them in line" (Amarr)
- An empire that commits genocide in the name of their faith (Amarr)
- Megacorporations that treats people like their property (Caldari)
- Corrupt bureaucracies that quietly "silence" opposition leaders and is home to a beverage company that is rumored to use corpses as the base of their drinks (Gallente)

- Space Cultists that bleed people to death because they think it will make them stronger and live longer (see: Blood Raiders)
- Pirate Factions that peddle drugs, raid convoys, and enslave prisoners (all of them).
- A pirate faction that can best be described as "prototype BORG." (Sansha)

- Mechanics that allow us, the players, to create and peddle drugs.
- Structures that require us to use slaves and prostitutes as "building components" and "fuel."
- The fact that every ship you have and lose has a crew. Every ship you destroy has a crew. In fact, crews are a dime a dozen.
So cheap are crews (and people in general), that they don't even factor into our (the players) economic costs. Hell... we do not even see them.

- You can pay off the cops here to look the "other way" while you kill other beings (see: players) like yourself.
- You can bribe the cops with the "bodies" of other criminals to reset your criminal rating.
- You can slaughter other people that are part of a de facto war... which has a real life parallel in the Privateer Age when countries would hire mercenaries and pirates to capture or kill ships belonging to another nation.


EVE is a dystopian world. It isn't meant to be secure, or nice, or friendly, or function "properly," or be anything like the world we live in.

The very essence, the core, of the game is conflict.

There are no "good guys" in a contemporary sense here.
There are the guys on your side and see you as a "good guy"... and then there is everyone else who see you as the "bad guy."



Don't change EVE into something it isn't.
This is supposed to be a "nice" game.

How did you Veterans start?
Shu t'Me
#68 - 2017-01-31 05:57:55 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
If that sets you off, I have bad news for you buddy.


The lore of EVE has all of the following:

- An empire that enslaves people and uses neurotoxins to "keep them in line" (Amarr)
- An empire that commits genocide in the name of their faith (Amarr)
- Megacorporations that treats people like their property (Caldari)
- Corrupt bureaucracies that quietly "silence" opposition leaders and is home to a beverage company that is rumored to use corpses as the base of their drinks (Gallente)

- Space Cultists that bleed people to death because they think it will make them stronger and live longer (see: Blood Raiders)
- Pirate Factions that peddle drugs, raid convoys, and enslave prisoners (all of them).
- A pirate faction that can best be described as "prototype BORG." (Sansha)

- Mechanics that allow us, the players, to create and peddle drugs.
- Structures that require us to use slaves and prostitutes as "building components" and "fuel."
- The fact that every ship you have and lose has a crew. Every ship you destroy has a crew. In fact, crews are a dime a dozen.
So cheap are crews (and people in general), that they don't even factor into our (the players) economic costs. Hell... we do not even see them.

- You can pay off the cops here to look the "other way" while you kill other beings (see: players) like yourself.
- You can bribe the cops with the "bodies" of other criminals to reset your criminal rating.
- You can slaughter other people that are part of a de facto war... which has a real life parallel in the Privateer Age when countries would hire mercenaries and pirates to capture or kill ships belonging to another nation.


EVE is a dystopian world. It isn't meant to be secure, or nice, or friendly, or function "properly," or be anything like the world we live in.

The very essence, the core, of the game is conflict.

There are no "good guys" in a contemporary sense here.
There are the guys on your side and see you as a "good guy"... and then there is everyone else who see you as the "bad guy."



Don't change EVE into something it isn't.
This is supposed to be a "nice" game.

No matter how many times I press the like button, it only counts once. Sad
Commander IceQ
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#69 - 2017-01-31 06:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander IceQ
naPasik wrote:


Quote:
Define a positive corp. Goonswarm have, for a decade, been a great place for newbies to go, provide free ships, skillbooks, help and advice to members. Every other nullsec bloc does the same thing, as do most of the pirates you're so outraged by, yet you'd label everyone as a negative group and discourage people from joining them. Why is this?


So why didn´t you mention all the damn miner ganking in high sec? you forgot that part....and if I had noticed earlier your message with the capital letters on the first comment I would´ve told you to **** RIGHT OFF mate....shame on you ´´I HAIL SATAN ???´´

From what I know it is very rare that goons gank anyone in HS. The majority of miner ganking that I have seen is CODE.

As for the "Hidden" message, if you get triggered by THAT obvious trolling... Maybe you should liquidate, donate then terminate.

I HAVE been playing since 2008, I have spent all the years from 2008 to 2016 in HS doing carebear things. Mining, missions, incursions, exploration etc. and now I am trying "the other side" and so far I must admit that I am enjoying the experience. So much that I am doubting that I would return to HS play...

Remember the rules of EVE:
1) Don't fly what you can't afford to loose.
2) You consent to PVP when you click "UNDOCK", even in High Sec.
3) Don't EVER trust anyone in local, not even your own Alt.

I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it.
naPasik
CONCORED INTERSTELLAR AFFAIRS
#70 - 2017-01-31 06:49:27 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
naPasik wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
I...really don't think this is the game for you. Is tHere A sIngLe aSpect you don't wAnT ccp to chANge just to suit your whims?




CCP please block this person from posting on this thread. I don´t want to speak to this person here anymore. the capital letters in his comment read...´´I HAIL SATAN´´ I don´t want to speak to Satanists

If that sets you off, I have bad news for you buddy.


The lore of EVE has all of the following:

- An empire that enslaves people and uses neurotoxins to "keep them in line" (Amarr)
- An empire that commits genocide in the name of their faith (Amarr)
- Megacorporations that treats people like their property (Caldari)
- Corrupt bureaucracies that quietly "silence" opposition leaders and is home to a beverage company that is rumored to use corpses as the base of their drinks (Gallente)

- Space Cultists that bleed people to death because they think it will make them stronger and live longer (see: Blood Raiders)
- Pirate Factions that peddle drugs, raid convoys, and enslave prisoners (all of them).
- A pirate faction that can best be described as "prototype BORG." (Sansha)

- Mechanics that allow us, the players, to create and peddle drugs.
- Structures that require us to use slaves and prostitutes as "building components" and "fuel."
- The fact that every ship you have and lose has a crew. Every ship you destroy has a crew. In fact, crews are a dime a dozen.
So cheap are crews (and people in general), that they don't even factor into our (the players) economic costs. Hell... we do not even see them.

- You can pay off the cops here to look the "other way" while you kill other beings (see: players) like yourself.
- You can bribe the cops with the "bodies" of other criminals to reset your criminal rating.
- You can slaughter other people that are part of a de facto war... which has a real life parallel in the Privateer Age when countries would hire mercenaries and pirates to capture or kill ships belonging to another nation.


EVE is a dystopian world. It isn't meant to be secure, or nice, or friendly, or function "properly," or be anything like the world we live in.

The very essence, the core, of the game is conflict.

There are no "good guys" in a contemporary sense here.
There are the guys on your side and see you as a "good guy"... and then there is everyone else who see you as the "bad guy."



Don't change EVE into something it isn't.
This is supposed to be a "nice" game.


That´s game content....this guy actually says that he worships Satan.....That´s real life......Satanists in real life believe in human sacrifice for Satan....in other words they are murderers. These kind of people keep their believe and what they do in secret because if they were discovered they would be arrested( I´m talking about their crimes be discovered not the fact that they are Satanists)
naPasik
CONCORED INTERSTELLAR AFFAIRS
#71 - 2017-01-31 06:55:18 UTC


Quote:
As for the "Hidden" message, if you get triggered by THAT obvious trolling... Maybe you should liquidate, donate then terminate


I recon he should be investigated by Police...Real police in real life...not CONCORD
naPasik
CONCORED INTERSTELLAR AFFAIRS
#72 - 2017-01-31 06:58:12 UTC

[/quote] From what I know it is very rare that goons gank anyone in HS. The majority of miner ganking that I have seen is CODE. [/quote]

Goonswarm federation is the most notorious allianace for ganking miners and freighters in high sec
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2017-01-31 07:21:00 UTC
naPasik wrote:


Quote:
Define a positive corp. Goonswarm have, for a decade, been a great place for newbies to go, provide free ships, skillbooks, help and advice to members. Every other nullsec bloc does the same thing, as do most of the pirates you're so outraged by, yet you'd label everyone as a negative group and discourage people from joining them. Why is this?


So why didn´t you mention all the damn miner ganking in high sec? you forgot that part....and if I had noticed earlier your message with the capital letters on the first comment I would´ve told you to **** RIGHT OFF mate....shame on you ´´I HAIL SATAN ???´´


What does the ganking have to do with anything? Yes, we gank, scam, steal, spy, blob, drop titans on single frigates and probably a whole bunch of other things you think are bad, but are explicitly allowed by the mechanics. How does that make us a bad place for newbies to go?

And your overreaction to an alt caps gag is exactly why I did it. I could paste in the lyrics to number of the beast as well if you like? Roll

You're free to call up interpol or whoever to tell them a heavy metal fan said Hail Satan on the internet if you really want. Please post the response in here too, it should be hilarious. Twisted
Commander IceQ
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#74 - 2017-01-31 09:27:14 UTC
naPasik wrote:


Quote:
As for the "Hidden" message, if you get triggered by THAT obvious trolling... Maybe you should liquidate, donate then terminate


I recon he should be investigated by Police...Real police in real life...not CONCORD

Shocked Why? What would that accomplish? Besides wasting resources? Because someone told you to sell all your pixels for numbers then change the numbers to 0 then to delete your character? You really need to realise this is just a game...

I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2017-01-31 12:44:27 UTC
naPasik wrote:


Quote:
As for the "Hidden" message, if you get triggered by THAT obvious trolling... Maybe you should liquidate, donate then terminate


I recon he should be investigated by Police...Real police in real life...not CONCORD

People who want to find hidden messages will find them. I read the post and saw it satirizing you name.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
ISD Fractal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#76 - 2017-01-31 12:58:57 UTC
Forum Rules of Conduct wrote:

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
#

This thread appears to be spiraling out of control, so I am going to close it now.

ISD Fractal

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department