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Discontent of game design and mechanics

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2017-01-30 15:15:30 UTC
Buoytender Bob wrote:
This gentleman has been playing EVE for over 8 years; if he was going to rage quit, I think he would have done so by now............

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6127520#post6127520
OP is not the original creator of the character. It was sold in 2015 to who know.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

naPasik
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#42 - 2017-01-30 15:32:36 UTC
Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:
naPasik wrote:

All players including alphas will be obligated to be in a corp`...They will not be allowed to be in an NPC corp anymore except for beginners until they complete their trial, then they will be obligated to choose a corp

I agree. To enforce this, let NPC corps be vulnerable to wardecs.



Thank you....Thats only one of the massive extend of the PVE/PVP point of view..My proposal will change EVE in a big way.
naPasik
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#43 - 2017-01-30 15:35:02 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
naPasik wrote:
No more multiple accounts or toons.. one account and one toon only per player.
All players including alphas will be obligated to be in a corp`...They will not be allowed to be in an NPC corp anymore except for beginners until they complete their trial, then they will be obligated to choose a corp.

Considering that CCP cannot even ban RMTers who use 2 separate computers or keep banned people from creating a new account, I have strong doubts that CCP has any way to reliably prevent anyone from having more than 1 account. Roll



lol have you heard of IP detection? yeah thats right....the only way to use 2 computers 2 email address is if you would split in half and play from 2 computers from 2 different homes 2 different ip addresses
Shu t'Me
#44 - 2017-01-30 15:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Shu t'Me
naPasik wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
naPasik wrote:
No more multiple accounts or toons.. one account and one toon only per player.
All players including alphas will be obligated to be in a corp`...They will not be allowed to be in an NPC corp anymore except for beginners until they complete their trial, then they will be obligated to choose a corp.

Considering that CCP cannot even ban RMTers who use 2 separate computers or keep banned people from creating a new account, I have strong doubts that CCP has any way to reliably prevent anyone from having more than 1 account. Roll



lol have you heard of IP detection? yeah thats right....the only way to use 2 computers 2 email address is if you would split in half and play from 2 computers from 2 different homes 2 different ip addresses

Lol

Ever heard of a VPN?

Yeah, that's right, tosses the whole IP detection thing right out the window.

Also, virtual machines can give you a different IP address from the same tower.

Know of what you speak, before opening mouth to insert foot.

Edit: Also, blocking multiple connections from the same IP address would prevent anyone in university, anyone in the world who uses AOL for their ISP, and anyone else who has shared internet, from accessing the game. At one time there was three people living in my building that played EvE. With the shared network in the building, all nine of our accounts appeared to CCP to come from the same IP address.
naPasik
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#45 - 2017-01-30 15:38:45 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Lol

Cheers max trix. Thinking of the f&i regulars who might not have seen this yet. We like to laugh.

<3



And I will laugh with you my friend...
naPasik
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#46 - 2017-01-30 15:42:04 UTC

Quote:
Ever heard of a VPN?

Yeah, that's right, tosses the whole IP detection thing right out the window.

Also, virtual machines can give you a different IP address from the same tower.

Know of what you speak, before opening mouth to insert foot.


:-) both of your computers are sending data going through your internet router if they really want you find out they will.
naPasik
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#47 - 2017-01-30 15:45:10 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
naPasik wrote:


No more multiple accounts or toons.. one account and one toon only per player.


You've never done industry I see.



Sorry...don´t mean to ruin everything for anyone
naPasik
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#48 - 2017-01-30 15:50:03 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
naPasik wrote:
. It should be exactly the other way around.


Why is your playstyle more valid than mine?


If we are talking about play style....at the moment yours is favoured around 75% so my question is why is YOUR play style more favoured than mine ??.... NEXT.....
naPasik
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#49 - 2017-01-30 15:54:05 UTC
Shu t'Me wrote:
naPasik wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
naPasik wrote:
No more multiple accounts or toons.. one account and one toon only per player.
All players including alphas will be obligated to be in a corp`...They will not be allowed to be in an NPC corp anymore except for beginners until they complete their trial, then they will be obligated to choose a corp.

Considering that CCP cannot even ban RMTers who use 2 separate computers or keep banned people from creating a new account, I have strong doubts that CCP has any way to reliably prevent anyone from having more than 1 account. Roll



lol have you heard of IP detection? yeah thats right....the only way to use 2 computers 2 email address is if you would split in half and play from 2 computers from 2 different homes 2 different ip addresses

Lol

Ever heard of a VPN?

Yeah, that's right, tosses the whole IP detection thing right out the window.

Also, virtual machines can give you a different IP address from the same tower.

Know of what you speak, before opening mouth to insert foot.

Edit: Also, blocking multiple connections from the same IP address would prevent anyone in university, anyone in the world who uses AOL for their ISP, and anyone else who has shared internet, from accessing the game. At one time there was three people living in my building that played EvE. With the shared network in the building, all nine of our accounts appeared to CCP to come from the same IP address.



so you are telling me that with a VPN you could comit cyber crime and never get caught...they can get the location of both of your computers...coming from the same room god damn it....
naPasik
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#50 - 2017-01-30 15:58:23 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
...wow


hs ganking is akin to suicide terrorism


m8 i think you need to take a break from the game



The fear in high sec has increased....you cannot set a pod on autopilot to go anywhere without ´´CODE´´ alliance blowing it up...there was a time when you could....so yeah EVE online Terrorism in High sec has increased majorly.
naPasik
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#51 - 2017-01-30 16:00:19 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Buoytender Bob wrote:
This gentleman has been playing EVE for over 8 years; if he was going to rage quit, I think he would have done so by now............

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6127520#post6127520
OP is not the original creator of the character. It was sold in 2015 to who know.



Agreed apologies.....But with my former main character which I will not utter here I´ve been playing EVE from 2011.
Van Doe
#52 - 2017-01-30 16:06:19 UTC
naPasik wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
...wow


hs ganking is akin to suicide terrorism


m8 i think you need to take a break from the game



The fear in high sec has increased....you cannot set a pod on autopilot to go anywhere without ´´CODE´´ alliance blowing it up...there was a time when you could....so yeah EVE online Terrorism in High sec has increased majorly.

how about building a waal a grate waal?

I'm not trolling, I create content for everyone to enjoy. afk cloaky in a system near you while posting in this forum.

naPasik
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#53 - 2017-01-30 16:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: naPasik
Nat Silverguard wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Moved to Player Feature and Ideas.


this should have been locked for trolling. What?



No troll
naPasik
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#54 - 2017-01-30 16:19:10 UTC
Van Doe wrote:
naPasik wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
...wow


hs ganking is akin to suicide terrorism


m8 i think you need to take a break from the game



The fear in high sec has increased....you cannot set a pod on autopilot to go anywhere without ´´CODE´´ alliance blowing it up...there was a time when you could....so yeah EVE online Terrorism in High sec has increased majorly.

how about building a waal a grate waal?


Thats what I am suggesting....My proposal is. The great separation. We should act upon acts of terrorism with no mercy.
naPasik
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#55 - 2017-01-30 16:23:09 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
naPasik wrote:
Hi there,

In this post I would like to express my discontent of some of the game design and mechanics.
I don´t like the fact that this game allows criminality,as in high sec ganks(If i was to compare the high sec ganking with anything in real life its suicide terrorism) and so on..you are allowed more than one account and 3 toons on every account...It should be one account one toon..thats it. The bounty system its not good at all and the kill right system just helps people scam. If for example there would be only one account and one toon only allowed ...and the bounty system would be different..like as soon as you aggress or gank anyone in high sec, not only that you would get blaped by Concord police but an automatic bounty will be placed on your head and anyone can shoot you anywhere.
Thats one of the problems with this game mechanic.
Game design, its the number 666 that appears everywhere. If you haven´t noticed it I will give plenty of examples.
Othe game design problem: with some of the updates there are changes that makes it easier and easier to loose ships and pods..for example there was a time when you would warp at 0km from station or gate and you would drop out of warp at 0km every time...now,when you warp at 0km from any gate or station you drop out of warp at 1000 to 2500m from,very rarely when you are at 0km,warping to planets at 0km or 100km now takes you strait into the customs office making it very difficult for you to warp again when you are being chased in low sec or null sec...and so on...the list continues.Also the Eve launcher reads ´´EVEL´´ if you read only the capital letters.

I know the majority of people playing this game love it the way it is...but I am curious how many people have noticed the increase in fear and the easiness of loosing pods and ships with some of the updates.

This game its not nice to play and enjoyable anymore.I mean...the number 666? whats that all about? I would really like to see some changes into positive....like making it really difficult for criminals to be criminals...in high sec mainly. There are still nice people playing this game that like to do positive things...like me personally I love pvp but in a positive way..chasing criminals..braking gate camps in low sec..basically cracking down on people that love to do bad things in the game.

I would like to propose a game mechanic that will separate the good from the bad in a big way.

The bounty system and security status:

No more kill rights, as soon as anybody shoots anyone in low sec or high sec an automatic bounty will be placed on their head and increase as they shoot more people,anyone will able to shoot them anywhere including high sec,their security status will decrease as normal,also in highsec concord police will respond as usual,no more buying your security status.
As soon as you kill or shoot someone with security status below 00.00 your security status will increase.
Nothing will happen if a player with security status below 00.00 will shoot a player with security status below 00.00.
If a player wants to turn to the good side and increase their Security status they would need to do special missions and very very hard to complete.Ones they are back to being good guys and start shooting pilots with positive security status again they will not be able to do the special missions again...they will remain criminals for ever.
When you create a corporation or alliance you will have the option to choose from
1-Positive (only accepts players with positive sec.status)
2-negative (Low sec- only accepts players with negative sec.status) If any negative corp or alliance wants to join a null sec alliance or in the case of an alliance a null coalition that particular corp or alliance will pass to be neutral, its players will pass to be neutral as well but because of their criminal history will remain with a red mark on them and be engageble anywhere including high sec.
3-neutral (Null sec -Only accepts players with neutral sec. status)-If any neutral sec. status player decides to gank in high sec or shoot anyone in low sec he will be automatically rejected from that particular corp and alliance. Any neutral corp or alliance can engage each other anywhere except high sec where they would have to declare war on each other.
No more multiple accounts or toons.. one account and one toon only per player.
All players including alphas will be obligated to be in a corp`...They will not be allowed to be in an NPC corp anymore except for beginners until they complete their trial, then they will be obligated to choose a corp.


So when did you buy this character? A guy playing since 2007 cannot have played this long without figuring out the nature of the game.



How long have you been playing this game that you haven´t noticed that the nature of it has changed . By the way i responded to someone else as well...its true I bought this toon in 2015. But been playing with my Ex main since 2011.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#56 - 2017-01-30 18:29:15 UTC
naPasik wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
...wow


hs ganking is akin to suicide terrorism


m8 i think you need to take a break from the game



The fear in high sec has increased....you cannot set a pod on autopilot to go anywhere without ´´CODE´´ alliance blowing it up...there was a time when you could....so yeah EVE online Terrorism in High sec has increased majorly.


Well, at least we know now what set all this off...

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#57 - 2017-01-30 18:33:12 UTC
naPasik wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
naPasik wrote:
. It should be exactly the other way around.


Why is your playstyle more valid than mine?


If we are talking about play style....at the moment yours is favoured around 75% so my question is why is YOUR play style more favoured than mine ??.... NEXT.....


I'm not asking for your playstyle to be deleted outright. You are asking for mine to be deleted outright.

I make my money with an industry alt and numerous PI alts. I also have another alt who covers the PVP ships Dani can't fly, and yet another alt skilled for a super. This is a playstyle that you are asking to be deleted.

So, I will ask you again. Why is your playstyle more valid than mine?


I will also ask you to please explain why pvp in a pvp game can be considered terrorism by any definition. (From, the Oxford English dictionary: ' The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims'. When did CODe, MINILUV or anyone else have a political aim beyond lulz?)
naPasik
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#58 - 2017-01-30 21:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: naPasik
Quote:
I'm not asking for your playstyle to be deleted outright. You are asking for mine to be deleted outright.

I make my money with an industry alt and numerous PI alts. I also have another alt who covers the PVP ships Dani can't fly, and yet another alt skilled for a super. This is a playstyle that you are asking to be deleted.

So, I will ask you again. Why is your playstyle more valid than mine?



Right, I understand where you coming from...for you... Life in EVE is good the way it is at the moment ; and i can appreciate your concern of this possible change...My life in EVE is good too...I can come up with huge amounts of isk so this change would affect me too...but this is not about isk anymore,its about logging in and do something that makes my play relaxed and enjoyable....do something together with other players...for example having only one account and only one toon would encourage people to work together every time you need to light a cyno....thats one of the things....another example and this one is with regards to new players that join EVE...train up a little go to low sec...and loose the only fitted pvp ship they had to pirates....then uninstall the game and start playing World of tanks again.I mean we all did piracy at some point because we had no other choice to learn pvp and we killed a noob that asked us...and I quote ´´ WHY? WHY THE FU**K did you do that for?´´ If the option of choosing a positive or negative corp was in place...that guy would join a positive corp get help fit another ship be in a positive corp for ever chasing pirates. I personally would´ve been in a positive corp ever since 2011.I mean are you actually worried that CCP games might make this change??
naPasik
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#59 - 2017-01-30 21:09:32 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
naPasik wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
...wow


hs ganking is akin to suicide terrorism


m8 i think you need to take a break from the game



The fear in high sec has increased....you cannot set a pod on autopilot to go anywhere without ´´CODE´´ alliance blowing it up...there was a time when you could....so yeah EVE online Terrorism in High sec has increased majorly.


Well, at least we know now what set all this off...


AttentionQuestionBlink
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2017-01-30 21:20:50 UTC
naPasik wrote:
Quote:
I'm not asking for your playstyle to be deleted outright. You are asking for mine to be deleted outright.

I make my money with an industry alt and numerous PI alts. I also have another alt who covers the PVP ships Dani can't fly, and yet another alt skilled for a super. This is a playstyle that you are asking to be deleted.

So, I will ask you again. Why is your playstyle more valid than mine?



Right, I understand where you coming from...for you... Life in EVE is good the way it is at the moment ; and i can appreciate your concern of this possible change...My life in EVE is good too...I can come up with huge amounts of isk so this change would affect me too...but this is not about isk anymore,its about logging in and do something that makes my play relaxed and enjoyable....do something together with other players...for example having only one account and only one toon would encourage people to work together every time you need to light a cyno....thats one of the things....another example and this one is with regards to new players that join EVE...train up a little go to low sec...and loose the only fitted pvp ship they had to pirates....then uninstall the game and start playing World of tanks again.I mean we all did piracy at some point because we had no other choice to learn pvp and we killed a noob that asked us...and I quote ´´ WHY? WHY THE FU**K did you do that for?´´ If the option of choosing a positive or negative corp was in place...that guy would join a positive corp get help fit another ship be in a positive corp for ever chasing pirates. I personally would´ve been in a positive corp ever since 2011.I mean are you actually worried that CCP games might make this change??


This little rant does not make the slightest bit of sense, nor does it answer the question I was asking.

Why is having alts bad? Why is PVP bad? Why did you ignore half of my post entirely?

Define a positive corp. Goonswarm have, for a decade, been a great place for newbies to go, provide free ships, skillbooks, help and advice to members. Every other nullsec bloc does the same thing, as do most of the pirates you're so outraged by, yet you'd label everyone as a negative group and discourage people from joining them. Why is this?