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ST8 ACTOR

Flintlock Asshatery

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#1 - 2017-01-30 12:54:37 UTC | Edited by: ST8 ACTOR

I got lineup of specialized complexes in Pakkonen that sees low sec boosts to rigs. Currently the tax is 1%, but I may readjust that once and if I reach 10 index for defense and actually getting cash flow (currently my 1% tax amounts to index*1%= to like 6 figures at wild best.)

In terms of security the system is isolated with a single gate where you can brave a freighter slingshotting as long as the local pirate that never gate camps or dies (during coarse of like over 3 years). I don't imagine hi sec or low sec groups visiting the location (especially low sec for their sec status).

All sciences are covered: Copying, Invention, and ME/TE research with rigs for cost and time.
Manufacturing with time rigs: T1/T2 modules, drones (PENDING)

Tipa Riot

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#2 - 2017-01-30 14:30:44 UTC

ST8 ACTOR wrote:

Interesting, will check out ... do you have a reprocessing service and rig in each complex? Without that, customers would have to deal with huge mineral transports to lowsec. What is your defense strategy?

I'm my own NPC alt.

ST8 ACTOR

Flintlock Asshatery

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#3 - 2017-01-30 15:26:12 UTC | Edited by: ST8 ACTOR

I'm not doing reprocessing in so far as I don't even have any manufacturing set up. In so far the strategy was to not post about it in forums with vulnerability windows and attack timelines falling on AU tz workdays (minus friday). There's notification mailing list, and I'm looking to recruit people to get eyes on them raitarus so that I could get mercs on it before I go into armor.

Im thinking about setting up manufacturing first before negotiating for retainer with mercs not that I have found any in AU tz.


ST8 ACTOR Flintlock Asshatery Likes received: 2	#4 - 2017-01-30 17:32:38 UTC In terms of reprocessing I'd likely set it up in citadel with market since I don't belief there's actual time involved with doing reprocessing right?

Tau Cabalander

Retirement Retreat

Working Stiffs

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#5 - 2017-01-30 18:23:48 UTC | Edited by: Tau Cabalander

ST8 ACTOR wrote:

In terms of reprocessing I'd likely set it up in citadel with market since I don't belief there's actual time involved with doing reprocessing right?

You need either an Azbel (large EC) or a Fortizar (large Citadel) at minimum for a market service. However, T2 medium reprocessing rigs are far less expensive than large T2 rigs.

In an EC, the market service uses the same amount of fuel as a large POS, as there is no fuel reduction bonus.

Reprocessing and compression are instantaneous.

The Drilling Platforms expected by the end of 2017 will likely have bonus(es) for reprocessing.

Tipa Riot

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#6 - 2017-01-30 18:49:05 UTC | Edited by: Tipa Riot

ST8 ACTOR wrote:

In terms of reprocessing I'd likely set it up in citadel with market since I don't belief there's actual time involved with doing reprocessing right?

The reprocessing is a big convenience for manufacturers, if you install in the same station as the manufacturing service (not needed for research, invention). Compressed ore is the most efficient way to transport minerals from a to b. Nobody wants to move freighter loads of stuff into lowsec and I'm not talking about jump freighters. Reprocessing service costs 5 block/h on top, T1 rig is sufficient. Just a suggestion, because I recently got the refining skills and switched operation to a complex with repro, which is a huge QoL increase.

I'm my own NPC alt.


ST8 ACTOR Flintlock Asshatery Likes received: 2	#7 - 2017-02-08 00:41:57 UTC 1 Will set up equipment/reprocessing/drones this week.


ST8 ACTOR Flintlock Asshatery Likes received: 2	#8 - 2017-02-09 11:45:05 UTC It doesn't matter if I set up reprocessing in citadel or raitaru right? More so, l1 and l2 rigs are just about ice, so I don't need those (they're expensive).


ST8 ACTOR Flintlock Asshatery Likes received: 2	#9 - 2017-02-09 12:01:42 UTC Postponed until next week.

Tipa Riot

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#10 - 2017-02-09 15:08:39 UTC | Edited by: Tipa Riot

ST8 ACTOR wrote:

It doesn't matter if I set up reprocessing in citadel or raitaru right? More so, l1 and l2 rigs are just about ice, so I don't need those (they're expensive).

Bonus-wise it does not matter. From the manufacturer's perspective, if you have reprocessing and manufacturing in two different stations, a manufacturer who wants to save hauling space for T1 production, then still needs to haul the reprocessed minerals from one station to the other. Much easier than from system to system, but best convenience would be a manufacturing complex having the reprocessing service locally T1 rigged for highsec ores (higher value minerals are low in volume). Of course this would be the more expensive solution.

I'm currently using a complex having both, with transporting Pyerite and higher, but getting the Tritanium from reprocessed compressed Veldspar (derivates) at ~75%. So my hauls in the DST went down from 5 to 2 and I even save money on the Trit (~3.75 ISK per Trit unit).

I'm my own NPC alt.

ST8 ACTOR

Flintlock Asshatery

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#11 - 2017-02-15 10:47:16 UTC | Edited by: ST8 ACTOR

Tipa Riot wrote:

ST8 ACTOR wrote:

It doesn't matter if I set up reprocessing in citadel or raitaru right? More so, l1 and l2 rigs are just about ice, so I don't need those (they're expensive).

Does the 4% rig bonus make any difference? I'd imagine with 1 billion of ores, you lose about that much to reprocessing at that point, or is it amplified somehow? So then I can pick a rig that does trit if im looking to cut corners, with the other two being for fuel blocks and the likes, and other one being more high end?


ST8 ACTOR Flintlock Asshatery Likes received: 2	#12 - 2017-02-15 11:56:03 UTC Considering changing tax to 10% since at 1% I made around 1.3m in 20 days. The best thing of all is that the system index is actually going down because it's calculated by system job hours against world wide job hours (with -40% time bonus it's bound to go down). I'd be looking to make 10m with the new taxes :P for under 20b investment.

Tipa Riot

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#13 - 2017-02-15 15:19:50 UTC

Though the 4% lowsec bonus would be nice, the refining rig on a production complex is not that important, without and just the reprocessing service you get the base 50% right? In highsec it's 52% with rig, hence 2% less which is not much if you use it only for Veldspar (Trit). For me the selling point is, not to have to transport Tritanium at all.

I'm my own NPC alt.


ST8 ACTOR Flintlock Asshatery Likes received: 2	#14 - 2017-02-16 09:19:55 UTC uh, right so you'd like me to set up reprocessing at every manufacturing station. I'll favor that then instead of setting up spec reprocessing provided I'm at least not entirely paying for the fuel myself at that point.


Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 3,799	#15 - 2017-02-16 12:17:15 UTC ST8 ACTOR wrote: uh, right so you'd like me to set up reprocessing at every manufacturing station. Yes, from a producer's point of view (who does also lots of T1 manufacturing). I'm my own NPC alt.


ST8 ACTOR Flintlock Asshatery Likes received: 2	#16 - 2017-02-20 11:43:50 UTC There's no time manufacturing rig for advanced components, so that's an excuse to still not equip the ECs.


Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 3,799	#17 - 2017-02-20 13:49:41 UTC \| Edited by: Tipa Riot ST8 ACTOR wrote: There's no time manufacturing rig for advanced components, so that's an excuse to still not equip the ECs. What about this one? https://market.fuzzwork.co.uk/type/43869/ EDIT: If you are talking about "there is none for sale" ... anyway I would buy the BPC and build yourself, it's cheaper that way. I'm my own NPC alt.


ST8 ACTOR Flintlock Asshatery Likes received: 2	#18 - 2017-02-21 21:33:20 UTC \| Edited by: ST8 ACTOR I imagine that may be why the market for this kind of stuff is lackluster. I belief I run costs for a couple of them rigs and they're not that marked up.

ST8 ACTOR

Flintlock Asshatery

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#19 - 2017-02-22 17:41:35 UTC

Kind of raises another question, the trade volumes for manufacturing rigs where material efficiency is more valued. I by all means would probably like the jobs to take longer in my system, but isn't 20% (38% in my case) faster means you make 20% more instead of 2% more by cost savings: is it the wrong kind of more? I suppose that indy people could be such lazy asses that having their jobs 20% faster out of manufacturing lines not exactly translate to faster turn over rate.


Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 3,799	#20 - 2017-02-22 18:05:02 UTC Difficult topic, maybe you should do a survey. Some stuff benefit from high volumes, some (low volume) from high material savings. Also depends on skills and number of alts to multi-task. I'm my own NPC alt.

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