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Operation Falconbridge

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#21 - 2017-01-29 15:45:31 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:

The Caldari State has a good view on blooders? Thought they were universally hated whether they waved a falsle flag or not...

According to his Corporation page his allegiance belongs to 24th Imperial Crusade of Amarr Empire, and not to Blood Raider covenant.

Blood raiders are assigned as pirates in Caldari State space and shall be destroyed on contact. There is no such assignment for Mr. Nauplius corporation. If he will be found in committing a piracy against Caldari State vessels or structures, he will be dealt with accordingly.

D. Kim, Strike Cmdr.

Hmm, I guess I see your point. My only reply is he is among the most outspoken of their ilk, though ya his corp identifies as it does.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2017-01-29 16:50:24 UTC
This argument has no purpose, Ms. Vess. I have shown already that I am not interested in our corporations to give support to his corporation directly. My statement was directed at an inane attempt of "Akagi Initiative" corporation to set rules of who can enter our space or not.

Such behavior of this low class mercenary corporation is similar to the so-called CODE or New Order organizations who think they can set rules in our high security systems.

Neither rules of Akagi nor CODE are legal in our space. Keep it in mind and stay vigilant.

D. Kim, Strike Cmdr.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#23 - 2017-01-29 17:26:24 UTC
Saisieni,

To clarify what appears to be a misunderstanding, Akagi only speaks for its own intent and operations. This remains a fundamental concept of capsuleer operations in general, and we are no exception. No declaration of ours reflects the legal stance of the Caldari Business Tribunal, or the Caldari Navy, nor do the personal decisions of any individual pilot unilaterally decide such policy on the States behalf, regardless of their affiliation or accomplishments.

Akagi is in good standing with the Caldari State. I personally am in excellent standing with the Caldari Navy.

Our operations against Nauplius and his corporation have been undertaken in response to implications of harm to Caldari citizens, irrespective of other acts committed in the past.

With respect to all opinions, I believe no further reasoning is necessary on the matter, and I'm confident that those who understand the nature of capsuleer politics will not require such.

If there are further questions about the general nature of our operation, barring specific matters of operational security, Wren and I will be pleased to answer them. However, I consider the current matter of Akagi's legality and standing to be closed from this point forward, and will speak no further on it, as the facts speak for themselves.

In serving the Citizen, we serve the State.

Rikaato ti anvatkaa.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Julianni Avala
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#24 - 2017-01-29 17:42:38 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Blood raiders are assigned as pirates in Caldari State space and shall be destroyed on contact. There is no such assignment for Mr. Nauplius corporation. If he will be found in committing a piracy against Caldari State vessels or structures, he will be dealt with accordingly.

D. Kim, Strike Cmdr.


Strike Commander,

Just so I myself as well as others can be clear on the matter, I would like to as you a question.

Neph wrote:
I would start by trying to get the Citizen POWs back to the State. They deserve to return to their old station in life, not to be bought and sold like so much cattle. Also, I suspect looking to their best interest would greatly increase your luck in any negotiations with the Caldari.


Nauplius wrote:
No. Caldari POWs will not be returned immediately to the State where they will be subjected to incorrect teaching on the Doctrine of Slavery, the Doctrine of Hell, and the Doctrine of Eternal Minmatar Subjugation and Destruction. My instructors will instead re-educate any Caldari in my possession on these and other matters, particularly the Doctrine of Slavery, to which Caldari seem to have a stubborn resistance.


From my understanding, he is refusing to turn over State citizens in order to fill their mind with his heretical teachings and thus lead them away from the Caldari way.

Are you suggesting that these Caldari prisoners of war do not matter? That it is only the vessels or structures that will be defended? I find myself questioning what authority you have claimed on the matter, as that is not the actions or beliefs of the Caldari I know and was taught of.

Chief Financial Officer, Head Diplomat

I-RED GalNet Site

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((OOC: Journey to Purpose- Julianni's Character Blog, last updated 11.07))

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2017-01-29 18:46:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Julianni Avala wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Blood raiders are assigned as pirates in Caldari State space and shall be destroyed on contact. There is no such assignment for Mr. Nauplius corporation. If he will be found in committing a piracy against Caldari State vessels or structures, he will be dealt with accordingly.

D. Kim, Strike Cmdr.


Strike Commander,

Just so I myself as well as others can be clear on the matter, I would like to as you a question.

Neph wrote:
I would start by trying to get the Citizen POWs back to the State. They deserve to return to their old station in life, not to be bought and sold like so much cattle. Also, I suspect looking to their best interest would greatly increase your luck in any negotiations with the Caldari.


Nauplius wrote:
No. Caldari POWs will not be returned immediately to the State where they will be subjected to incorrect teaching on the Doctrine of Slavery, the Doctrine of Hell, and the Doctrine of Eternal Minmatar Subjugation and Destruction. My instructors will instead re-educate any Caldari in my possession on these and other matters, particularly the Doctrine of Slavery, to which Caldari seem to have a stubborn resistance.


From my understanding, he is refusing to turn over State citizens in order to fill their mind with his heretical teachings and thus lead them away from the Caldari way.

Are you suggesting that these Caldari prisoners of war do not matter? That it is only the vessels or structures that will be defended? I find myself questioning what authority you have claimed on the matter, as that is not the actions or beliefs of the Caldari I know and was taught of.

Ms. Avala, I repeat for the second time already, that my statement didn't show support to Mr. Nauplius, and inflating this argument doesn't give you merit.

Yes, Caldari prisoners of war do matter. No, citizens of Caldari State will be defended as well. All crimes against our State and our citizens will be dealt with according to our laws and by our forces, not by some rogue mercenary organization.

And I will like to give you three more clarifications:

1) Crimes against Caldari citizens by either Mr. Nauplius or Ms. Villineuve will be persecuted.

2) Presence of either of them in our space does not constitute crime against the State or State citizens, unless it will be said explicitly by Caldari Navy after their attempt to enter the system (the broadcasted message can be read if you are in that system).

3) Caldari State is a secular entity. Neither the Way of winds, nor Kutuoto Miru is a requirement to become a citizen, to be employed by a Mega or to be allowed to enter State space. Both followers of Amarr Faith and Sabik are welcome (provided they aren't Blood Raiders - the punishment for that is still death). Preaching and converting in the State is allowed as well, provided it won't create discomfort or other disturbance to the citizens, corporations, their operations, etc.

And two more clarifications for Mr. Nauplius:

1) Slavery on the territory of Caldari State is strictly prohibited.

2) Advocating slavery to citizens of Caldari State or generally in the territory of Caldari State constitutes crime (as a provocation to commit a crime) and will be dealt with.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2017-01-29 18:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: John Revenent
Take the blinders off "Executor" Kim. Or you know what, continue to make a fool of yourself. We wouldn't want to upset the status quo of the IGS.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

Julianni Avala
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2017-01-29 19:01:00 UTC
Strike Commander,

Merit is far from what I seek, and inflating the argument was not my goal in the slightest. My question was out of sincere desire to be explained what I perceived as a conflict of what was understood, as well as a clarification for all to see.

You have since clarified it, so I thank you for that.

May I also ask why you made inference that Miss Villeneuve would bring harm to Caldari citizens?

Chief Financial Officer, Head Diplomat

I-RED GalNet Site

--

((OOC: Journey to Purpose- Julianni's Character Blog, last updated 11.07))

Viktor Revon
#28 - 2017-01-29 19:05:17 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
All crimes against our State and our citizens will be dealt with according to our laws and by our forces, not by some rogue mercenary organization.

No offense intended, Ms. Kim, but you do not have that control. Many mercenaries, and self-proclaimed State loyalists may perceive your argument as a corrupt defense of someone who should be prosecuted and wish to take matters into their own hands. You have no control over their actions, only influence.

(OCC: Just getting back into all this stuff. I apologize if it's off in any way.)

"Into the dark abyss shall we venture once more." - Viktor Revon

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#29 - 2017-01-29 19:11:50 UTC
Really, folks, you're giving Kim's inane prattling too much time. Let her shout at the wind, and demonstrate her lunacy as she berates State-loyal pilots for attempting to recover State POWs from an avowed and unrepentant Blood Raider.

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Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#30 - 2017-01-29 19:44:47 UTC
Well, looks like he's finally lost it.

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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#31 - 2017-01-29 19:46:02 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
That man has a woman in every port, so I assume so.


Not true.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#32 - 2017-01-29 19:50:31 UTC
Despite the threat of I-RED, I shall continue the re-education of all Homeless, Refugees, POWs, and others in my possession.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2017-01-30 02:12:32 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Well, this just got interesting. You're supporting a criminal who's abusing your allies prisoners of war? Hmmmm....
It is a Sanist supporting a Sanist. There is no need to delve further into the motivations of this offer of support.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2017-01-30 04:41:07 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Really, folks, you're giving Kim's inane prattling too much time. Let her shout at the wind, and demonstrate her lunacy as she berates State-loyal pilots...

As for "berating State-loyal pilots" it's what Ms. Priano is doing right now. And as "inane pratting", it looks like Ms. Priano shames herself once again, as she jumped in only for insults without actually knowing that Ms. Villeneuve was expressing Federal ideals earlier in IGS.

But in any way, such behavior could be expected from Ms. Priano. At this point I'd like to remind readers, that Ms. Priano was already known for spreading slanders and lies about Caldari Officers, and didn't have honor to stand for her words ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 ).

Pity and shame.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2017-01-30 04:52:18 UTC
Julianni Avala wrote:
Strike Commander,

Merit is far from what I seek, and inflating the argument was not my goal in the slightest. My question was out of sincere desire to be explained what I perceived as a conflict of what was understood, as well as a clarification for all to see.

You have since clarified it, so I thank you for that.

May I also ask why you made inference that Miss Villeneuve would bring harm to Caldari citizens?

Thank you, Ms. Avala.

As for Ms. Villeneuve, I have heard her speech and saw her demeanor, that corresponds to known enemies of Caldari State, nor it seemed like her ideals matched ours. I am not sure however in her hostile intentions, but I consider there is a greater probability of Ms. Villeneuve breaking laws of Caldari State and acting against Caldari citizens, property or ideals rather than probability of Mr. Nauplius doing so.

Even with known crimes of Mr. Nauplius and his... weird... beliefs.... he seemed to be way more polite, respectful, receptive and logical than Ms. Villeneuve. Of course it doesn't relieve him of his crimes, but it makes to think twice about Ms. Villeneuve ulterior motives.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#36 - 2017-01-30 04:55:23 UTC
Gasp. Federal ideals. That mindcriminal.

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Julianni Avala
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#37 - 2017-01-30 05:30:53 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
As for Ms. Villeneuve, I have heard her speech and saw her demeanor, that corresponds to known enemies of Caldari State, nor it seemed like her ideals matched ours. I am not sure however in her hostile intentions, but I consider there is a greater probability of Ms. Villeneuve breaking laws of Caldari State and acting against Caldari citizens, property or ideals rather than probability of Mr. Nauplius doing so.

Even with known crimes of Mr. Nauplius and his... weird... beliefs.... he seemed to be way more polite, respectful, receptive and logical than Ms. Villeneuve. Of course it doesn't relieve him of his crimes, but it makes to think twice about Ms. Villeneuve ulterior motives.


While I can not agree with your perspective, you of course will have your own opinion on things, and I respect that. It is a shame you see things that way, but it is not my place to try to convince you otherwise.

Instead I will state this in a broad spectrum for others:

Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive would not have welcomed Akagi into the alliance if it was thought for one second that they would act against the State in any way, shape, or form. Akagi is trusted by I-RED, and there has been no instance we have seen that would suggest they should be viewed as a "rogue mercenary corporation".

That is all I have to say on the matter.

Chief Financial Officer, Head Diplomat

I-RED GalNet Site

--

((OOC: Journey to Purpose- Julianni's Character Blog, last updated 11.07))

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2017-01-30 12:15:40 UTC
Very well, Ms. Avala. Please excuse me if it sounded I would like to intervene into internal I-RED affairs. It was neither my interest nor my intention and you really shouldn't justify to me your decision on hiring someone or not.

I though could notice, that I wouldn't trust the safety of any State citizen to I-RED myself since the start of the War there were already numerous incidents, showing that trusting I-RED would be quite unwise decision. I am not going to blame you personally in any of these incidents, as I am not sure you were around when they happened. If you are interested, I could tell about them in more private setting. Or, well, if you will insist I could do it here either, though I would prefer not since we are deviating from the original discussion too far already.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2017-01-30 15:39:13 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Well, this just got interesting. You're supporting a criminal who's abusing your allies prisoners of war? Hmmmm....
It is a Sanist supporting a Sanist. There is no need to delve further into the motivations of this offer of support.


True. In any case, IGS support isn't something to concern anybody. We'll see what happens in space.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#40 - 2017-01-30 16:58:23 UTC
Pieter with an I-RED tag identification. Ancestor's choke, never thought I'd see that. YC119 is turning out to be an interesting year so far.

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