Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Siphons are not aimed at any one group. A large group could use them against another large group as part of a low grade offensive.

And yes, the effects of cynos are not geared towards large groups or small groups. That is why your ideas and the OPs are flawed. You are trying to help small groups, but you are not. For example, you'd be making my industry work, which I do pretty much independently, much harder. While I am part of a "larger group" this is something I do separate from them.

I'm sorry, you need to get rid of this attitude of we need to help this group or that group and focus on changes that simply make the game better. Better for large groups, small groups, solo players, etc.

this has been explained several times at this point you are just being willfully ignorant

if by once in a while you mean every jump that has a neut in system... you really don't know anything about how this game works beyond your own little bubble do you?

There you go sticking your head where the sun doesn't shine.

If we can only put a cyno on a 60 million ISK ship then cyno ships will get blown alot more than "once in a while".

Seriously, think about how these kinds of changes will change people's behavior.

except the amount of capitals in game exploded years ago capital prices have stabilized and the amount of them in game has stayed relatively the same and yet... get this, it did not become capitals online. in fact over the last few years we have seen frigs and cruisers become the kings of PvP even at block level.


there is currently no cyno problem nothing has changed to make cynos become more of a problem so... what is the problem?

you claim that cynos and capitals have become more and more of a problem yet admit yourself that you have no way to prove it. if anything since fatigue capitals are now being used far less with them being used far more for strategic purposes and less for the lulz in case they need that pilot before their fatigue runs out. do ppl still drop for the lulz? yes but that is not an issue.


lets break it down


are cynos impossible to predict? no

are Cynos counter-able? yes in many different ways and at many different points in an engagement

can both large and small groups use them effectively? yes

do they overwhelmingly advantage one size over the other? no each size can use them in different ways to great effect

all that sounds pretty damn balanced to me.

what part of eve have you been in that it became capitals online? i mean back with the old carriers and no fatigue i would have agreed but now?

yep because eve is either all capital or no capital you're right

We will agree to disagree.

You refuse to take in account the fact that moving larger number of ships instantaneously through distances with one bridging ship does not even require scaling up the number of bridging ship according to numbers. As it is, it exponentially increases the benefit of cynos to larger groups, with the means to field instantly many ships across regions.

Fortunately, those reading this can make up their mind themselves and have the possibility to express their opinion through CSM votes.

I would not run for CSM if I did not believe a high number of smaller group and solo players are also lurking on this forum, like I used to before deciding to run. Like me they could be fed up by the control of the larger groups over the features of a game we all share, favoring their play-style over more independent play-styles.

I wish posting on forums had the same requirements than being a candidate for CSM now have, i.e. you could only post with your most well known alt instead of alts so as to see better where argumentations really comes from.

Actually I'd like him to explain why it is nonsense. I mean yeah, it sounds unusual using a rorqual in a hot drop....but then they changed rorquals so maybe not. Sometimes players using things in the game in novel ways such as Rooks & Kings fake POS which use a hictor for the POS shields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4qlF_9__4

Further, the OP has tried to argue that certain ships are dedicated in game for certain things. This is not true. Sure some hulls have very generous bonuses for things like neuts or webs, but they can be fit without those things. That is they are not dedicated ships, but ships where fitting those bonuses modules has a considerable incentive.

Stop repeating over and over, "Well it is bad." Explain why it is bad. And no, "It benefits large groups," is not very persuasive because cynos benefit small groups too. And if anything a larger group will be able to work with a restriction whereas a smaller group might not have the capability of adapting.

Let me clue some people in about evolution and adaptation. Most organisms don't adapt and they go extinct. A larger organization might very well be more adaptable because they have more resources and more people, and the latter allows for more ideas and innovation to the new change. Note, I am not saying small groups can't adapt, but that it might be possible that lots of small groups may not be able too.