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Dev blog: All you need to know about the CSM 12 elections

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2017-01-18 17:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
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The CSM 11 term is in its second half and we’re fast approaching the elections for CSM 12!

In this blog we have everything you need to know about the upcoming elections for CSM 12, whether you’re running for a seat yourself or if you are voting. Participate and help shaping the development!

All you need to know about the CSM 12 elections

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#2 - 2017-01-18 19:24:01 UTC
First.

Also good luck to all those candidates who do go for it.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#3 - 2017-01-18 19:49:09 UTC
In case anyone's wondering about people from CSM 11, we're collectively waiting until after the summit before any of us put in our announcements.

(Well, other than one person)

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#4 - 2017-01-18 20:05:29 UTC
Bobmon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2017-01-18 21:02:22 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
In case anyone's wondering about people from CSM 11, we're collectively waiting until after the summit before any of us put in our announcements.

(Well, other than one person)


Whoopsy

@BobmonEVE - BOBMON FOR CSM 12
Darth Traya
Capital Warfare
#6 - 2017-01-18 22:03:06 UTC
u know taking copies of ur passport for anyone but the state is a criminal offence in some countrys?
In Germanys the penalty goes up to 300k for that offense for example.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2017-01-19 11:07:41 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Darth Traya wrote:
u know taking copies of ur passport for anyone but the state is a criminal offence in some countrys?
In Germanys the penalty goes up to 300k for that offense for example.

Fortunately, this is, in such a general way, not correct. For further info, please look here (article is in German language).

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Darth Traya
Capital Warfare
#8 - 2017-01-19 13:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Traya
CCP Phantom wrote:
Darth Traya wrote:
u know taking copies of ur passport for anyone but the state is a criminal offence in some countrys?
In Germanys the penalty goes up to 300k for that offense for example.

Fortunately, this is, in such a general way, not correct. For further info, please look here (article is in German language).

Well, the Law is written in a very cryptic way. And often misunderstood.
The current jurisdiction suggest that ur practice is against german law (see VG Hannover – Urteil vom 28. November 2013, Az. 10 A 5342/11. 28. November 2013 )
exceptions exist in the FeV, GwG, SigV and TKG, neither of which apply here.
The statement from the BMI is p useless as they are no judicial power (compared to the ruling above)
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2017-01-19 15:01:03 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Guard
Darth Traya wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
Darth Traya wrote:
u know taking copies of ur passport for anyone but the state is a criminal offence in some countrys?
In Germanys the penalty goes up to 300k for that offense for example.

Fortunately, this is, in such a general way, not correct. For further info, please look here (article is in German language).

Well, the Law is written in a very cryptic way. And often misunderstood.
The current jurisdiction suggest that ur practice is against german law (see VG Hannover – Urteil vom 28. November 2013, Az. 10 A 5342/11. 28. November 2013 )
exceptions exist in the FeV, GwG, SigV and TKG, neither of which apply here.
The statement from the BMI is p useless as they are no judicial power (compared to the ruling above)


Thank you for bringing this up but since we're not lawyers we won't dive deep into interpretations and just encourage everyone to abide by the law wherever they are and not do anything they are uncomfortable with :). If any advice is needed, we can be reached via the E mail address in the blog.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Eric Shang
Russian Villiage Boys
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#10 - 2017-01-21 14:27:29 UTC
Sorry can i just ask what has been achieved by the CSM 11 last year?

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#11 - 2017-01-24 12:33:19 UTC
Darth Traya wrote:
u know taking copies of ur passport for anyone but the state is a criminal offence in some countrys?
In Germanys the penalty goes up to 300k for that offense for example.

You need to send a scan of your ID or passport to every landlord when you want to rent a flat in Germany, or they will not even consider your application, so that is nonsense.

Even if there was some law in this regard, it is not enforced and nobody cares.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#12 - 2017-01-25 21:41:48 UTC
Eric Shang wrote:
Sorry can i just ask what has been achieved by the CSM 11 last year?



We really can't learn much of what they are doing because of the NDA.

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CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2017-01-27 12:45:09 UTC
Eric Shang wrote:
Sorry can i just ask what has been achieved by the CSM 11 last year?


Hey! The CSM for example was crucial in helping us get the Clone State features right in Ascension. They helped us know what we had right and guided us to a better path on some other parts of it. They've been a regular asset for the dev teams in chat channels throughout the term (we have one for each team and the CSM using HipChat). Devs have approached them regularly for a sentiment/sanity check on a bunch of changes and features.

You can check out their collection of weekly summaries here and you can find their latest summit minutes here.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2017-01-27 12:47:01 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Eric Shang wrote:
Sorry can i just ask what has been achieved by the CSM 11 last year?



We really can't learn much of what they are doing because of the NDA.


Most of what they can't talk about is temporary and we try to do as little as we can of using the CSM as a vault for secrets :).

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#15 - 2017-01-27 14:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
CCP Guard wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Eric Shang wrote:
Sorry can i just ask what has been achieved by the CSM 11 last year?



We really can't learn much of what they are doing because of the NDA.


Most of what they can't talk about is temporary and we try to do as little as we can of using the CSM as a vault for secrets :).


I wasn't aware it was temporary. How is it temporary? Is CSM 10 which has been out of office for a year now able to speak freely about what was said during their term without concern for the nda?

Or is it based on what CCP has already made public? For example after CCP announced the capital/citadel changes can all the discussions about who said what regarding them from CSM 10 and 11 now be revealed? Or are some things about capitals/citadels and those discussions still under NDA?

Part of the problems seems that there is no clear line and this chills speech. It seems to me as an outsider that there are some things that were clear they should not talk about (maybe 10-20%???). But then there are allot of things that its unclear whether they should talk about them. (pretty much everything else) Many things, like you say, are probably fine to talk about, but I think most csm don't want to come close to that line. So we mainly get information about what they ate.

We can see the minutes but they are notoriously vague as to who exactly said what. (edit: the weekly summaries are even worse for being vague) As a voter we, of course, would need this information to make informed decisions about who is actually representing us. Of course all of what I said assumes the CSM is supposed to be some sort of representative body and not just a more or less random focus group.

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