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8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2017-01-26 13:45:25 UTC
Priceless.
Anatta Buddhas
Point Of Union
Mental Compatibility
#182 - 2017-01-26 13:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Anatta Buddhas
* If you lose stuff, it's almost always your fault. Really, only yours.
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Really -> Fck! u! .. only you! ..

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if i'll find you moving behind Space~Time ~ 'll kill you & whole your idiotic life.

.. while in motion ~ be without going & coming, ..

Apoy Soul
Doomheim
#183 - 2017-01-26 15:29:20 UTC
This is why your subscriptions are plummeting. You created a environment where trolls and assholes thrive, where the number 1 profession is now theft by suicide. you now have the ultimate greiefer playground, congratulations your game is now the shining beacon of villainy you always wanted. Was temped to resubscribe when you went free to play, I see that was just a ploy to boost numbers and thus the companies appraisal amount, because apparently you are putting the game up for sale............
sora kumori
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#184 - 2017-01-26 16:14:34 UTC
I have huge issues with this pile of crap. point by point.
CCP Phantom wrote:
[img]http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70453/1/8GoldenRulesEN.png[/img]

Be able to afford a loss
* Never fly something (or with something in the cargo) you can't afford to lose. Yes, not even in highsec. Meaning that you should not fly a ship you cannot afford to replace and refit.

Shocked Ship insurance doesn't actually cover the current market cost of ships. Ship insurance doesn't cover any modules. if it did, the loss would have less sting and the player would be able to recover more so rapidly. So, the victim is not only losing a ship, suffering mockery, and being logged for future harassment...
they end up forced into an inferior ship with inferior modules, further degrading their ability to protect themselves in the future.

Kill boards, and the killboard mechanic needs to go BYE BYE. this is nothing less than the celebration of assholery in its highest form. it encourages swarms of metagaming Jerks to buy elite characters from the character bazzar, use plex to buy the most powerful deadspace/officer modules they can...
All to "War dec" new player corporations and simply be abusive to a few hundred new players at a go. if five hundred players are trapped inside a station by a war decing killboard group, THEY CAN NOT PLAY. if new players can not play, dumbasses, they QUIT and tell everyone they know about how bad EVE Online SUCKS.

Such "UBER" ganking toons with more skills at 5 than a new player can hope to earn in a year, can roam freely and murder from one system to the next. All they have to do is pay for it. So, if you aren't dropping $500 on plex... you don't have a snowball's chance in HELL of even making a red bar appear on their shields gauge. I suppose CCP don't mind because - They like real money from assholes, far more than they care for players.

CCP Phantom wrote:
[img]http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70453/1/8GoldenRulesEN.png[/img]

Consent to PvP
* You consent to PvP when you click "undock".
* You are not safe in 1.0 security space. CONCORD is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea.
* In most cases, the only way to be 100% safe from aggression inside the game is to be docked in a station. Being cloaked in a secret safespot could work too.


In real life there are police who enforce laws. there is even a highway patroll. there is a border patrol. the idea that the four empires, concord, and other super-power npcs DO NOT POLICE their own space is wrong. players work for their npc leaders, (*whose loyalty stores have ******** absurd prices by the way), they pay sales taxes, the pay fines and fees...
And somehow it is okay to murder a player even at the door of an empire's homeworld station?

NO! it is not. not ever.
To be continued.
sora kumori
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#185 - 2017-01-26 16:28:34 UTC
CCPPhantom wrote:
[img]http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70453/1/8GoldenRulesEN.png[/img]

Everyone can scam - and so can you
* Never grant corporation rights to stuff you can't afford to lose either. No exceptions.
* People offering free stuff? Probably traps. Be cautious.
* Free stuff usually isn't. Not even minerals you mine yourself.
* If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Paranoia pays off here. Double-check everything.
* Scamming and unethical behavior some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics.
* Harassment or real-life threats are not ok, and you can get a shiny ban for them. Learn the difference.


okay, how about scammers outside of eve who try to steal your account?
if scamming is okay...

If I pay REAL MONEY for plex, and then someone steals it...
How did they not just steal REAL WORLD MONEY from me?
Stealing is illegal in real life, in case you do not know.
How is CCP not an accomplice in the criminal act?
How is CCP *not* ENOCOURAGING the theft of REAL WORLD CASH and player accounts?

rhetorical question for the asshats at CCP - How often does scamming result in spam botting?
Yeah, I thought so.

victims of greifing are not happy players. unhappy players only resort is to express their outrage, or QUIT. So, not only does someone lose their money, their ship, their ability to play without harrasment, if they respond in kind -> they can be banned?
**** YOU.
sora kumori
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#186 - 2017-01-26 16:47:24 UTC
CCPPhantom wrote:
[img]http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70453/1/8GoldenRulesEN.png[/img]

Experience matters, not ISK or Skills
* Just because some character is just a few minutes old doesn't mean he's a newbie. Many people have alts. The reverse is also possible, people come back after very long breaks, and characters are sold. You could see year-old newbies around too.
* Skills that take less than 1 day to train are short skills. Over one week is long.
* You're in this game for the long haul. Don't expect to do something meaningful in the grand scheme of things in the first day of your first trial account ever.
* All other things being equal (experience, skills), superior numbers more often win a fight rather than superior ship value. However, things are hardly ever equal.
* Total skillpoints count doesn't matter much either, it's level of relevant skills to the current situation that does. Yes, that does mean a 2 mil SP combat-oriented newbie could badly beat up a 60 mil SP industry-oriented veteran.


BULL ****!

MONEY, REAL MONEY, is the only thing that matters in this game. NOT SKILL.
Can I jink to avoid weapons fire? does my REAL LIFE playing of the game matter?
Nope.
what is the penalty on a rig to modify a ship, opposed to say the penalty for equipping a warp stabilizer?

The ships are made of glass, the ships do not have enough slots, and assholes with the cash can buy ubber toons, ubber modules, and uber ships. Remember when the dramiel double prop fitting dominated eve? So **** you ccp. there are "Flavor of the month" overpowered ganking ships.

If a skill provides a +5% per rank, and at 5 ranks 25% difference that can be huge. Tack on an additional additive boost: ship, rig, modules, cyberware, etc...
These can make destroyers that can snipe from 60 KM away, with an alpha strike of 1,000 damage, and a rate of fire of 2.5 seconds. Sounds fair right?


Now if one player has 50,000,000 skill points, and can't survive...
it is probably because the skills invested are utterly worthless and probably do not even work in the game.
I know of industrialists, and marketing players who NEVER leave their stations.
sora kumori
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#187 - 2017-01-26 17:12:12 UTC
CCPPhantom wrote:
[img]http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70453/1/8GoldenRulesEN.png[/img]

Bigger is not always better
* More expensive stuff is not always better stuff.
* Slightly better stuff usually costs many times more than slightly worse stuff. Choose wisely.
* Tech-2 is usually cheaper and better, but harder to fit. Sometimes it's not better. Other times it's not cheaper. And occasionally, neither cheaper nor better.
* There are no "solopwnmobiles" in EVE. Everything you can fly blows up if it's shot hard enough.
* With enough skills and experience, ship size really doesn't matter all that much.


a heapping pile of bull ****.

Does the compare feature include the market value in terms of plex value? no. THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT.
If I buy gear that is meta level 18, that **** had better be worth it. why?
Because the only way to afford it is... PLEX, aka... REAL MONEY.

it is pay to win at its finest. Tech-2 is only better because the skill requirements can roughly equate to four months of subscription (I.E. Money) the prices can be absurd, (more money) and hey, you need more skills to make that T2 tech even work at all...
usually at +2% per rank. lol. damn those skillbooks can cost alot...

if it is shot hard enough? like a new player in a frigate can ever scratch a veteran's paint job, regardless of how they fly.
again, there are "Flavor of the month" overpowered ships. WHY THE ******* LIE?
whether it is the Dramiel, the Astero, etc PWNERSHIPS do exist and newbies can not fly them, or afford them...
unless they buy PLEX.

uh, yeah. size don't matter. A veteran ganker has no problem killing players who finally manage to to work their way into a battle cruiser, because the AGE of the toon (hence money paid) matters more than equipment a new player can't afford nor use requirements.
sora kumori
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#188 - 2017-01-26 17:17:58 UTC
Use the in-game info
* Show Info and Variants->Compare are your best friends. Use it on all stuff you can.
* Always check your ship insurance before you undock. If it's a T2 ship however... not that important.
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this is a flat out admission that money matters more than any player's method/strategies of using the controls.
only a veteran who is SUBSCRIBED can own and opperate a T2 ship. So...

uhm, yeah.
Sjugar02
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#189 - 2017-01-26 17:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sjugar02
People like Sora mean I'll never get tired of ganking.

We have literal trillions stashed away to make sure that, no matter what CCP does, we can keep ganking idiots like you.
sora kumori
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#190 - 2017-01-26 17:32:44 UTC
Unfair circumstances?
* There is no such thing as "a fair fight" or "an unfair fight". There's only a fight. Circumstances are irrelevant.
* Just because you can fly something doesn't mean you should.
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This game is purely about "WHO HAS PAID MORE MONEY", so how is any fight fair?

Just because you can fly something doesn't mean you should....
This is the only true thing I find in this post.

If you want to leave frigates behind, you had damn well better have all 5's in the following skill groups:
ship control,
navigation,
engineering,
armor,
shields,
electronics,
scanning,
targeting,
and 5's in your faction's weapon systems skill group: gunnery, missiles, drones, etc.

Now all the skills you can see on your character sheet are just the tip of the ice berg.
Once you have the prerequisites finished.... say after 300 or more days as a subscriber (holy ****, a whole year to just be able to fly a frigate with 5's !?!)
you need to check the market for all the additional skills that you need to buy with plex, train with a subscription for another 300 days to earn those 5's. Maybe longer...

all just so you can barely survive.
Steve Galaxius
Whole Squid
#191 - 2017-01-26 17:36:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Galaxius
sora kumori wrote:
Quote:
Use the in-game info
* Show Info and Variants->Compare are your best friends. Use it on all stuff you can.
* Always check your ship insurance before you undock. If it's a T2 ship however... not that important.


this is a flat out admission that money matters more than any player's method/strategies of using the controls.
only a veteran who is SUBSCRIBED can own and opperate a T2 ship. So...

uhm, yeah.


https://zkillboard.com/kill/52264154/
Steve Galaxius
Whole Squid
#192 - 2017-01-26 17:42:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Galaxius
sora kumori wrote:
Quote:
Unfair circumstances?
* There is no such thing as "a fair fight" or "an unfair fight". There's only a fight. Circumstances are irrelevant.
* Just because you can fly something doesn't mean you should.



This game is purely about "WHO HAS PAID MORE MONEY", so how is any fight fair?

Just because you can fly something doesn't mean you should....
This is the only true thing I find in this post.

If you want to leave frigates behind, you had damn well better have all 5's in the following skill groups:
ship control,
navigation,
engineering,
armor,
shields,
electronics,
scanning,
targeting,
and 5's in your faction's weapon systems skill group: gunnery, missiles, drones, etc.

Now all the skills you can see on your character sheet are just the tip of the ice berg.
Once you have the prerequisites finished.... say after 300 or more days as a subscriber (holy ****, a whole year to just be able to fly a frigate with 5's !?!)
you need to check the market for all the additional skills that you need to buy with plex, train with a subscription for another 300 days to earn those 5's. Maybe longer...

all just so you can barely survive.



three alpha clones in stabbers can kill just about any subcapital ship in the game just fyi
sora kumori
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2017-01-26 17:43:26 UTC
Sjugar02 wrote:
People like Sora mean I'll never get tired of ganking.
We have literal trillions stashed away to make sure that, no matter what CCP does, we can keep ganking idiots like you.


and the above person proves my points, all of them.

You will lose stuff, don't worry!
* If you PvP long enough, you will lose your ship. It's only a matter of where and when.
* If you logoff in space without a PvP timer, you're only safe after 1 minutes... and then only until you log back in. If you logoff with a PvP timer, it's at least 15 minutes. Bottom line, once a fight started, don't logoff. You'll only die anyway.
* Somebody, somewhere has better skills than you, more experience than you, is smarter than you, has more friends than you and can stay online longer than you. Just pray he's not out to get you.
* If you lose stuff, it's almost always your fault. Really, only yours.
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because the game isn't about how well you play...
No, IT IS ENTIRELY ABOUT HOW MUCH REAL MONEY YOU PAID. If your ship is popped, it must be your fault. not like the game allows you to actually fly your ships... not like the game allows a player's skills matter.
Steve Galaxius
Whole Squid
#194 - 2017-01-26 17:45:23 UTC
but u quoted the post that said that more expensive things are only slightly better
sora kumori
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2017-01-26 17:52:44 UTC
Steve Galaxius wrote:
Three alpha clones in stabbers can kill just about any subcapital ship in the game just fyi


A stabber is a cruiser right?
A stabber is armed with medium guns right?

That takes time to earn.
That takes time to earn the skills.
three alpha clones flying cruisers?

only if they spend cash on plex.
Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#196 - 2017-01-26 19:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Sjugar02 wrote:
People like Sora mean I'll never get tired of ganking.

We have literal trillions stashed away to make sure that, no matter what CCP does, we can keep ganking idiots like you.


That's good to hear. Ganking and piracy are cornerstones of this game whether people like it or not. It's dyed into the fabric of the game.

What is more dubious however, is the idea of allowing people to circumvent the rest of the mechanics in the game surrounding piracy by using multiple alpha alts.

I was proud to be a pirate more than once in my eve career. From battleship in amamake to destroyer gangs blaping snakes and ravey navens.
..And when i I didn't want that anymore I clawed my sec status back up like anyone else.

But that's not cycling alpha alts for easy highsec ganks.

One is actual content, the other is avoiding game mechanics which is a direct violation of the EULA.

And whether Fozzie wants to hand wave this away or not, it undermines the integrity of the game in pursuit of a raw account numbers. Whether the fix is to lock alpha safeties in highsec (far better than adjusting concord response or ignoring the problem), I don't think the answer is to pretend what is already become a demonstrable behavior in game is somehow just 'not a problem'.

"The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain."

Joviany White
Space Purifiers
#197 - 2017-01-26 19:08:12 UTC
sora kumori wrote:
Steve Galaxius wrote:
Three alpha clones in stabbers can kill just about any subcapital ship in the game just fyi


A stabber is a cruiser right?
A stabber is armed with medium guns right?

That takes time to earn.
That takes time to earn the skills.
three alpha clones flying cruisers?

only if they spend cash on plex.


Really?

Know what? I'm playing eve somewhere around 5-6 months (2-3 months a year ago, than deleted Eve cos have too much work in real life, and back again 2-3 months before) and can afford almost every sub-capital ships/modules (even rare named, expensive as *).
I NEVER bought any plex for real life money. Only by ingame isks.
I paid real money ONLY once -- just to become an "omega". It was a very cheap "promo code" (don't remember how it should be called right). Got 30 days of paid account + cerebral accel. + some crap ships. Somewhere around 10 bucks. THAT'S ALL I PAID.

Now i have around 40 BILLIONS in ships, modules, implants and other ingame stuff. I'm buying plexes via isks. I'm buying injectors via isks if i need.

How? SIMPLE. You just have to read game mechanics and have a head on your shoulders, that's not only for eating.
Simply missioning and ratting in high sec. Only.
For example, right now i have about 20 (TWENTY!) PITHUM-C INVULS -- each estimated 300 mil isks. It's only one position. And they are all from 4/10 Guristas plex, that can be EASELY done even by an ALFA on ANY cruiser.

This is just example.
And i have only one char with no alts. Cos I'm playing just for fun, while reading or working on my second monitor. Smile

Sorry for my bad English. Greatings from Russia. Pa

Pics? OK, have a look at this screenshot, while keeping in mind. that i have NEVER spent any RL money for this: http://i.imgur.com/qqfwjNp.png
ISD Chanisa Nemes
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#198 - 2017-01-26 19:26:23 UTC
Removed some off-topic and troll posts

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Colonel Santiago
TOP DAMAGE Ltd.
Trigger Happy.
#199 - 2017-01-26 20:07:49 UTC
Amen!
Viserion Pavarius
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#200 - 2017-01-26 21:54:55 UTC
Christ, look at that pubbie trash exposing the world to his intellectual dirherra. Texas law i'm right? Back to World of Warcraft with you.


in all seriousness, you might want to play a diffrent game and get that capslock button under control.