EVE New Citizens Q&A

With respect,

I can see who else is doing some assuming! We don't know the real SP or extent of his real experience - but apparently asking about carriers is a no-no. I didn't see that sticky! Your post is most fair though and yeah, for me to tell everyone to get bent is a silly and broad generalization.

I am definitely aware that I haven't been here long enough for my posts to weigh enough or mean anything (new money) but there's also plenty of old money posters that really should just take their jaded **** somewhere else. I'm just here to whistleblow .. again.

I hope OP ain't a troll lol - (I'm sure he's more than aware of how vulnerable and expensive a Carrier is.. it's been a while since i've looked but there are Carrier guides everywhere that focus on one bit or another. If there was a recent, well written/structured video I'd certainly share it here.

but they are giving constructive answers.

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One of my corp mates, back when he was new, decided that he wanted to fly a Rorqual. I told him that he should just chill and learn the game and that there was nothing fun about fly a Rorqual. ( this was back before the recent changes when Rorqual pilots just sat inside PoS bubbles ). He ignored my advice and started a second account and focused on getting into a Rorqual as quickly as possible.

He purchased a Rorqual before he could even fly one and was pretty much watching the second tick away until the skill finished to board and undock in the ship. On his first cyno jump, trying to get his new cap ship home, he bounced off of a station in low sec and lost his Rorqual. He had literally spent only minutes in the cockpit of the ship before it became a loss mail.

He could not easily afford the loss of that ship. It took him a long time to save up for it and it was a huge set back for him. Worse yet even if he had not lost the ship he could not have even used it much as where we live there were free system wide full mining boosts available near.y 23 / 7. So it was a pointless ship for him to have and a pointless loss. The ship brought him no enjoyable gameplay and it's loss set him back greatly. Much risk for very little benefit.

Fast forward a couple years and that Rorqual alt of his doesn't seem to get much use. His main which flys mostly small and medium ships in PvP and medium and large ships to make isk is what still gets used the most for him.

IMHO the kind of people that want to get into cap ships as quickly as possible are playing Eve as if it were another WoW clone and trying to get "level capped" and get "decked out" to get to "end game content" as quickly as possible. I used to play WoW and in that game everything before level cap and being decked out in raiding gear was just to get you to that point. The "real game play" in that game only existed at level cap and with a decent gearscore.

Eve is a completely different game. You can participate in a meaningful way in pretty much all game activities from day 1. 10 years later you will still be flying a lot of the same ships that you flew in your first months of playing the game. Cap ships are not some OP legendary weapon that helps you pwn or anything like that. They are big, fat, slow, expensive ships that everyone is trying to get on the kill mail of. They have a specific purpose in large fleet engagements but are fairly useless everywhere else.

If you want to learn your lessons the hard way then by all means ignore all the advice of the experienced players here and continue your pursuit of getting decked out in purpules.

thats not really encouraging “newbie carrier pilots”, any other mmo you can simply just rmt your way to the top stuff, ccp try to cut out rmt by offering the stuff themselves, so you are saying while other mmo's dont offer buying stuff from the company for real money they are essentially encouraging rmt?

But capitals REQUIRE no in game experience to lose them either. That is the beauty of EVE.

The criticisms are valid. The perceived insults are suppositions, as we don't know you personally. The responses of "You're either asking in the wrong section or you are doing something that's a terrible idea" is the correct response to your question. That you haven't supplied information that suggests anything other than the second one being the case, the onus is on you to correct the most logical assumptions. That you don't like that response has no bearing on the validity of the responses.

In fact, the responses given were better advice than the question you asked: "get good first."

Oh ok now I understand what you are saying. I totally see your point with the exception of you putting the blame on CCP and vets looking for easy KMs. I'll explain... But first I want to say that I think that us vets and CCP out of our way to try and explain it but new players just don't believe us because it goes against everything they learned in other games.

Yes Eve is different in many ways. First off there is no end game in Eve so your comment about not having to grind raid bosses for end game gear is at best a moot point and more likely just completely mis-guided. No ship in Eve is any better than any other ship. Each ship has it's uses and everything in Eve is situational.

In other games a level 90 character doesn't even have a chance against a level 100 character and a character with a gearscore a couple hundred points higher has exponential factors of power over a lower geared player. In Eve a carrier is not better than a BS or even a cruiser or a frig it's just different. In Eve people don't fly cruisers because they can't afford battleships they fly cruisers to do stuff that cruisers do well and fly battleships for stuff that battleships do well. A very new player in a very small cheap ship can get under the guns of a very high skill point character in a very expensively fit Battleship and pwn him. You will never see a level 10 beating a level 100 in WoW.

I think that there are a few more points about Eve that you are missing:

First there is no structured anything in Eve. We have no instanced content that is balanced for a fixed number of players of a fixed level. You can run a level 4 mission by yourself or you can run one with 200 of your closest friends. On top of that anyone else can bring 400 of their closest friends into your mission space to join you. A corpmate of mine was solo belt ratting in a T1 cruiser that was cheaply fit because we had a cloaky camper in local and he didn't want to mine so he decided to rat in something not worth hot dropping on. The camper decided to drop him anyway and the fleet that came in had 9 super capitals. That is 3 Titans and 6 Moms plus a handful of smaller ships just to take out one, **** fit, cruiser. It was a hilarious loss mail!

Note in the above story it was the smaller ships that came with the supers that killed him. The supers weren't there to add power to kill him, they were more just bait to try and escalate the situation. My point with that story is the old saying in Eve that if you were involved in a fair fight something went horribly wrong.

Big ships have a difficult time hitting small ships. Bigger is not better. The most followed statistic in PvP in Eve is probably kill efficiency which is isk value of the ships that you have lost versus the ships that you have destroyed. The point of Eve is doing more with less.

Also you can deadspace fit your ratting ship and get better isk / hour but when you loose one it costs a lot more to replace. So often you'll wind up more cash flow positive if you just fly T2 fit ships. Thus more expensive ( read that as decked out in purples ) is not necessarily better.

But probably the main point with regards to this is that what you are flying and how it's fit is far less of a determining factor on outcomes than is player knowledge. What you know is an exponentially bigger factor in this game than in most others. You can find all kinds of examples of experienced players, on very low skill point characters, and in very cheaply fit ships beating multiple, much higher skill point characters in T2 ships with more expensive fits.



I had to look up what it meant but now that I know I'll say probably not. This is Eve after all and one of the favorite pastimes in Eve is surfing killboards for LOL KMs.

First warning-sign was the fact that you were asking about carriers in this forum. Not the ship&modules, where fitting-questions usually go. The next was the fact that you are in a NPC-corporation and haven't been in a large nullsec-corporation at all. Then your wording suggested that you haven't actually done any reading up on capital ship mechanics, which all combined just leads to a quick loss of a carrier and you rage-quitting the game due to nobody warning you how difficult it is.

Could I have made my point less bluntly, sure, but I like saying things like they are. After all the discussion here, I'm still standing by my first opinion.

You shouldn't get a carrier until you go read up on capital ship mechanics.

Well, the same is also true of T1 frigates, it's only a matter of scale.

You can always offer to be a Personal Capital Training Instructor for the small sum of, say, five billion isk per month, and help redistribute their wealth a bit :)

And besides, exploding Carriers make the economy go 'round!

Yes, my point exactly. If anyone ask if something is risky one should give good advice, if someone wants to undock nice stuff why would one interfere?