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Carrier Ratting Skills and Equipment

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Helios Grim
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-01-24 18:00:26 UTC
I'm just beginning carrier ratting in null sec with a Nidhoggur and was hoping to get some input on what skills I should have at what levels such as fighters IV or etc. Also, what size of fighters should I be fielding regularly? I am ratting Angel Cartel.
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#2 - 2017-01-24 19:17:52 UTC
Helios Grim wrote:
I'm just beginning carrier ratting in null sec with a Nidhoggur and was hoping to get some input on what skills I should have at what levels such as fighters IV or etc. Also, what size of fighters should I be fielding regularly? I am ratting Angel Cartel.


If you feel like you need to ask these questions, in the new player Q&A of all places, you shouldn't be flying a capital...

Wormholer for life.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2017-01-24 20:50:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
I am also going to echo the above.

Flying a capital ship is the least "newbie" you can get.

Moreover, if you have to ask questions like these for an expensive and hyperspecialized ship in order to perform a basic farming tactic... you should probably take a step back... use a VASTLY cheaper ship... and watch how others use said expensive ships first.
Helios Grim
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-01-24 21:02:40 UTC
Is that to say I shouldn't learn anything I don't already understand? Then perhaps a newbie should never mine because they don't know how to use a mining laser. None of that was helpful.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2017-01-24 21:16:11 UTC
Let me put it another way;

- you are asking us basic fitting questions that you should have learned at the frigate level

- you are asking about a very expensive ship that requires support from other people so that it will not die against the first hostile you encounter (see: hostile player frigates are a threat to you)

- you are asking how to "rat"... which is another thing you should have picked up as a true newbie (because honestly.... ratting in high-sec is no different than Null-sec in terms of mechanics... merely difficulty)


From my standpoint, you are setting yourself up for a massive loss (and yes, you WILL lose this ship if you are asking such basic 101 questions) and potentially ragequit from the game.


We really do mean well.
And we are telling you that you are not ready to even know about the details of capital ships yet. Not until you can grasp basic ship fitting and strengths/weaknesses.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2017-01-24 21:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Another way to put it:

You are asking tank pilots "what fuel does it use" and "what kind of ammo should it have" after explaining that you want to go deer hunting in one... in Somolia.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2017-01-24 22:05:37 UTC
This feels like a troll post to me.

If it's not then the OP has not really played this game and just logged in to maintain his queue for a couple years, waiting for his skills to train so that he could just jump right into "end game" content.

If he's a troll IMHO he should be ignored. If it's the second option then I think he would figure out that there is no short cutting learning this game and that there is no end game in this sandbox the hard way.

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Helios Grim
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-01-24 23:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Helios Grim
ergherhdfgh wrote:
This feels like a troll post to me.

If it's not then the OP has not really played this game and just logged in to maintain his queue for a couple years, waiting for his skills to train so that he could just jump right into "end game" content.

If he's a troll IMHO he should be ignored. If it's the second option then I think he would figure out that there is no short cutting learning this game and that there is no end game in this sandbox the hard way.


What part of this discussion suggests I'm not actually seeking help? And frankly I'm agitated that anyone would say after more than 3 years I didn't earn my wings like everyone else.

Back to subject, I would greatly appreciate any help, and I will also keep in mind the well meant warnings listed above. What fighter skills should I have to effectively rat in null sec in a carrier, and what tonnage should they be?
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#9 - 2017-01-25 01:22:33 UTC
Helios Grim wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
This feels like a troll post to me.

If it's not then the OP has not really played this game and just logged in to maintain his queue for a couple years, waiting for his skills to train so that he could just jump right into "end game" content.

If he's a troll IMHO he should be ignored. If it's the second option then I think he would figure out that there is no short cutting learning this game and that there is no end game in this sandbox the hard way.


What part of this discussion suggests I'm not actually seeking help? And frankly I'm agitated that anyone would say after more than 3 years I didn't earn my wings like everyone else.

Back to subject, I would greatly appreciate any help, and I will also keep in mind the well meant warnings listed above. What fighter skills should I have to effectively rat in null sec in a carrier, and what tonnage should they be?


The fact that you are asking for the SIZE of thefighters already points that you have not read about the capital mechanics. The fact that you are asking about fitting in here, instead of the ship&module-subforum is also a pretty bad sign. We aren't being mean. Just trying to save you from a few billion lossmail.

Wormholer for life.

Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2017-01-25 01:37:26 UTC
Ah, don't listen to those stick-in-the muds. Surely you know how to rat, no? It's not so different with a carrier. Just check if your skills are good enough to actually be faster than with whatever you typically fly for ratting, and if so, just go ahead and do it. Make sure to fit a cyno, align out while in the site, watch local and be in the standing fleet. (there IS a standing fleet, right?)
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#11 - 2017-01-25 02:06:41 UTC
nah skip the carrier and go right for the super carrier, the ticks are way YUGE!

Also officer fit everything possible, purples for days.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#12 - 2017-01-25 10:05:47 UTC
Helios Grim wrote:
What part of this discussion suggests I'm not actually seeking help?

Asking carrier questions in New Citizen's Q & A. It's such a strange thing to do it makes people wonder if you are trolling.



Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#13 - 2017-01-25 10:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Helios Grim wrote:
What part of this discussion suggests I'm not actually seeking help?

Asking carrier questions in New Citizen's Q & A. It's such a strange thing to do it makes people wonder if you are trolling.


To be fair, EVE is the game that has a basar for highly skilled pilots. When I would buy a carrier pilot and a carrier I had to ask a lot of stupid questions myself too - as I only fly subcaps.
mkint
#14 - 2017-01-25 15:18:07 UTC
Hooray for $ for SP! Yeah, there's a reason the honor tank guy is still made fun of even all these years later. If you don't understand the most fundamental questions in EVE (how do I tank? What skills should I train? How do I make a loadout?) and then hop in a ship you haven't bothered learning anything about, you probably deserve the inevitable lossmail. My advice is to get back into a frigate and learn the games mechanics first. Either sell that SP back, or sit on it for a year or two until you've gained the experience you need to actually participate in end game content successfully.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2017-01-25 16:05:56 UTC
Quote:
To be fair, EVE is the game that has a basar for highly skilled pilots. When I would buy a carrier pilot and a carrier I had to ask a lot of stupid questions myself too - as I only fly subcaps.

To be fair... in my opinion... if you buy a lot of skillpoints or an older character so that you can fly big honking fleet level ships you give up any pretense of being a newbie and are essentially saying, "nah, I don't need to go through that learning process first... I got this!"
And that means...

1. This question should be in Ships and Modules.
2. You will be treated the same way every other veteran who asks these kinds of questions will be (see: if you have to ask such basic questions about capitals, you should not fly them).


Now, if you are as capable with sub-capital ships as you say you are, then fitting up a carrier to kill NPCs should be trivial.
And you should already have a firm grasp on how to look up ship requirements and how to get the most out of any ship you want to fly.
And you should also quickly see why carrier ratting is VERY RISKY and can easily be done by a much cheaper sub-capital.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#16 - 2017-01-25 16:17:07 UTC
carrier lvl 5
fighters lvl 5
fighter bombers lvl 5
jump drive calibration lvl 5
marauders lvl 5
all sub systems to lvl 5
once all thats done inject titan skill book and train to lvl 3

ignore the haters i got your back fam

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#17 - 2017-01-25 16:39:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein
Valid points. And I don't even fly pirate or fraction battleships much because I still lack the ISK and skill to do it comfortably. Everything with small and medium weapons is just fine for me. Go VNI, go Gila, go Drake. And I am definitely not going to buy a carrier pilot. And even if I did I would ask carrier pilots in corp for help with the fitting and stay aligned to station all the time when ratting. And I also know that “Everybody come and halp, my ratting Hel got tackled, how should I know that neutral had a cyno?” is a perfect way to make yourself look like an idiot.

I just wanted to point out that the game design of EVE kind of encourages “newbie carrier pilots”. And I don’t like the “if you have to ask don’t fly it”-answer much because why should I warn other pilots to fly expensive loot piñatas? Go for it and see how it works out everyone. Some may succeed; some may lose it at the first day out. EDIT: And I am not the OP... I just like where he is coming from.


ShahFluffers wrote:
Quote:
To be fair, EVE is the game that has a basar for highly skilled pilots. When I would buy a carrier pilot and a carrier I had to ask a lot of stupid questions myself too - as I only fly subcaps.

To be fair... in my opinion... if you buy a lot of skillpoints or an older character so that you can fly big honking fleet level ships you give up any pretense of being a newbie and are essentially saying, "nah, I don't need to go through that learning process first... I got this!"
And that means...

1. This question should be in Ships and Modules.
2. You will be treated the same way every other veteran who asks these kinds of questions will be (see: if you have to ask such basic questions about capitals, you should not fly them).


Now, if you are as capable with sub-capital ships as you say you are, then fitting up a carrier to kill NPCs should be trivial.
And you should already have a firm grasp on how to look up ship requirements and how to get the most out of any ship you want to fly.
And you should also quickly see why carrier ratting is VERY RISKY and can easily be done by a much cheaper sub-capital.
Fal Shepard
Fraternity.
#18 - 2017-01-25 16:50:53 UTC
I think the biggest misunderstanding here is that you may have posted this in the wrong channel. Even so, don't let these guys get to you. Yes, you sound like you have much to learn regarding capitals in general and should thoroughly research their usage and mechanics. If you still want to learn what skills and fitting you need, get on the singularity server and try out what works best. There's no penalty for losing one and they're all basically free.

From the ashes of our defeat, we will be reborn. With these chains with which we are bound, we will become indivisible. To those who showed us no mercy, we will give no sympathy. For the flames that burn our cities, we will douse in injustice's blood

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#19 - 2017-01-25 18:42:20 UTC
You didn't post in the wrong channel. And to you regulars, this isn't GD. If you really can't just answer the question or post something constructive.. well basically just get bent.

OP I think this is more of a min/maxer question, is the Nidhoggur your favorite ship? Does your alliance have enough PVP ops with capitals to justify going further or is it purely ISK/ticks? I've personally trained the Minmatar Carrier to IV and the Fighters to IV just because in the extreme amount of time taking it to V I could learn to do so many other things instead. I figure you're getting help from your alliance on this but if it's just outside opinions you're looking for then there's mine for what it's worth to you.

Good luck! Smile

@lunettelulu7

Keno Skir
#20 - 2017-01-25 19:32:37 UTC
You should do what you gotta do mate, but the vets here do have your best interests at heart.

The choice to warn you against the silly idea, or to encourage it and profit from your death is one we at NCQ&A have to make a lot. You must understand that the people who want you to do well in EvE are the ones saying "you're too new to fly carriers". The ones you need to watch out for are the ones who tell you it's a brilliant idea, since most likely they are also working on killing your new shiny at the same time as talk to you.

For the wasteman who told the regular helpers to "get bent" (Lulu), you haven't been here long enough to critique the work of actual regulars. If you had sat through the HUNDREDS of posts about what a **** game EvE is because whatever shiny got wrecked, only to discover the user had bought their way into a capital and imagined it would be death proof, you would not be so quick to condemn the extremely valid advice being dispensed by people who actually know what they're talking about.

Capitals REQUIRE experience in-game to be used with any degree of safety. If someone does not have this experience it can be assumed they bought the skills / character and SHOULD NOT be encouraged.

Think about it for just a sec Lulu, if we don't aim to help the guy we would tell him "yeah mate no problem all you need is this, this and this to IV, happy ratting". This advice would cause him to lose all his ISK and quit the game most likely same as all the others.

We're merely asserting that he should gain experience in game and not on the forums, and trying to prevent yet another rage quit as a result of upshipping WAY too fast.

Enjoy your carrier OP genuinely, none the less you ARE going to lose it due to inexperience with EvE and i hope you don't rage quit for long Pirate
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