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Rebalance Capital Shield Extender and Armor Plates
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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#1 - 2017-01-24 11:16:31 UTC
Dear capsuleers,

I am just wondering, why I should pay around 2-5B ISK for a single Armor Plate or Shield Extender for capial ships, with the same stats like the Concord variation.

Concord is nice, no doubt, but it is available for everybody as long there are so easily to buy in the LP store.


I suggest to debuff the Concord plates / extender by around 5 % and additionally increase the faction variation by 5 %.
This would reflect more there value.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-01-24 12:13:16 UTC
Repeat after me: Player driven economy. They cost what people are willing to pay for them and they stats have very little to do with that number

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#3 - 2017-01-24 12:35:26 UTC
The availability of the BPCs cannot be compared.

The one BPCs are available in the LP store = constant supply
and the other BPCs are dropped only.
Cade Windstalker
#4 - 2017-01-24 17:24:38 UTC
Yup, which is entirely intentional on CCP's part.

Just because something is scarce does not mean it is better, just because something is better does not mean it is scarce. Case and point, faction vs pirate faction ammo. Same situation.

It would be far more reasonable to request that BPCs for the Pirate weapons be added to the pirate LP stores, but other items would likely still be a better value per LP spent.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2017-01-24 18:31:58 UTC
You could always just not buy the other faction ones?
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#6 - 2017-01-24 20:27:17 UTC
Why should I buy something, which is ten time more expensive but not adding any value?
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2017-01-24 20:27:43 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
You could always just not buy the other faction ones?

While true it would be nice if everything in this game had a use-case. That's one of my favorite parts about tiericide - different faction things specialize in different stats so there's a reason to have any given one in the game.

I'm just saying that in general, I have no idea what's going on with the OP and their capital modules. But as a basic concept, I do hope there's differentiation between various faction modules as much as subcap ones have.

Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2017-01-24 20:28:32 UTC
HandelsPharmi wrote:
The availability of the BPCs cannot be compared.

The one BPCs are available in the LP store = constant supply
and the other BPCs are dropped only.


You're only proving my point. Since they are scarce, people perceive them to be worth more, when in reality they may not be. This is one of those times - people are willing to pay more for faction ones because they are rare, when they'd be much better off spending far less on the CONCORD one.

If more people did that, the prices on the others would eventually decline. They prices are what they are because players are willing to spend that much money for that item - whether it's justified or not.

And actually, from what I see of the current prices, the CONCORD and the Domination Cap Shield Extender are within a few million of each other in Jita at around 360-ish million. So where are you getting these numbers in the billions from?

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-01-24 20:29:44 UTC
HandelsPharmi wrote:
Why should I buy something, which is ten time more expensive but not adding any value?


Don't! That's what we're telling you.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Lugh Crow-Slave
#10 - 2017-01-24 20:31:03 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
HandelsPharmi wrote:
Why should I buy something, which is ten time more expensive but not adding any value?


Don't! That's what we're telling you.



buh buh i needs all the ehp 10mill chimera isn't enough q.q

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Cade Windstalker
#11 - 2017-01-24 20:44:29 UTC
HandelsPharmi wrote:
Why should I buy something, which is ten time more expensive but not adding any value?


As a rational consumer, you shouldn't. That's your decision to make, just like it was the decision of whoever put that module up on the market at that price to sell it at a ludicrously high price compared to a comparable item.

There's nothing wrong with the modules here, the issue is with the players, and you can't patch stupid.
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#12 - 2017-01-24 20:48:13 UTC
I was wondering, why no module tiericide was done to this 3 capital shield extenders....
Not even a small difference in mass penalty / signature radius vs. fitting requirements.

This items are very new and I assumed that CCP balanced them already.


From where I have got those prices?
Have you ever seen any Faction Capital Shield Extender beeing traded in Jita? Not really, cause the BPCs are traded at the moment only.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2017-01-24 20:52:36 UTC
HandelsPharmi wrote:
I was wondering, why no module tiericide was done to this 3 capital shield extenders....
Not even a small difference in mass penalty / signature radius vs. fitting requirements.

This items are very new and I assumed that CCP balanced them already.


From where I have got those prices?
Have you ever seen any Faction Capital Shield Extender beeing traded in Jita? Not really, cause the BPCs are traded at the moment only.


If you'd bothered to actually read what I wrote, you would see that I did, in fact, compare the prices in Jita.
You might also consider that if this is a recent spike in the prices, someone is manipulating market.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2017-01-24 22:42:26 UTC
HandelsPharmi wrote:
I was wondering, why no module tiericide was done to this 3 capital shield extenders....
Not even a small difference in mass penalty / signature radius vs. fitting requirements.

This items are very new and I assumed that CCP balanced them already.

You'll notice that not every Faction module that got tiericided, received unique stats. Not uncommon for a Faction module to have one or more identical modules.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#15 - 2017-01-25 00:13:42 UTC
Rowells wrote:
HandelsPharmi wrote:
I was wondering, why no module tiericide was done to this 3 capital shield extenders....
Not even a small difference in mass penalty / signature radius vs. fitting requirements.

This items are very new and I assumed that CCP balanced them already.

You'll notice that not every Faction module that got tiericided, received unique stats. Not uncommon for a Faction module to have one or more identical modules.


and before you say this is a problem it's done so that both balance and flavor are kept. basically it lets faction A and faction B both drop the same thing but have it flavored to them

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble