Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We agree on something then. The problem is that AFK cloaking is the one check on players using to perfect and free intel of local to dock or POS up every time another player enters the system, thus making those mining and ratting ships "so powerful [they] cannot die".

I would amend your statement to say that nothing undocked in the game should be so powerful that it cannot die as perfect invulnerability while docked up is something we have all come to expect. Cloaking is essentially docking in that there is nothing you can do (other than spam D-scan and scan?) to interact with the other players or the environment while cloaked.

Nullsec needs a shake up - it is far too safe for what is suppose to be the most dangerous space in the game and a large part of that is the fault of local. I would have no problem if some tool to detect/uncloak AFK cloakers came as part of that shake up, but I have a feeling in that absence of the crutch of local, AFK cloaking whines will disappear overnight.

Why do I get such a strong sense of deja vu whenever I visit this thread every few months? It seems like a perpetual motion device that just keeps oscillating between the same arguments endlessly.

Read the whole sentence above That I would give up local I just want there to be someway then that I could detect when a person is trying to scan me down.

Could you please not use that it is off topic because it ain't, its actually a part of the topic, cause the problem is that you do not know if the person is AFK and by that they hold all the cards because you can't do anything to get rid of them they are just a threat that might call down a cyno on you at any given point. I have seen people using the topic of the thread as an excuse if you are to in corporate every aspect of the real problem you need to make a 5 page topic just so you can talk about everything which is a part in the problem.

I guess this is also why the problem isn't fixed yet. Beacuse CCP knows how big of a problem it is and to start down the road of fixing it might eventually just **** up the game more than it helps. The question becomes where to begin. they might as well tak a year with on patches or fixes if they where to fix this in a good way and I am not sure that they could fix it in a way that would satisfy enough.



Why didn't I think of that I would take your statement instead of mine it is way more correct. I believe in eve that It should be that as soon as you are undocked you are in a world of danger as such no one should be able to not get hit as soon as they are out of station.

The problem with cyno as I see it is that it promts the game play of people who only like a sure win with a 10 against 1 ship or so on. This kind of gameplay is not fun and will never give good fights. come ad fight me fair and square. The 10 on 1 i can't understand why people finds that fun. 100 against 120 or even 60 against 120 is more fun. but 10 to 1 is just bad game experience.

This will also happen if you remove local without changing anything else, except now you do not need the cyno you only need 10 cloaked ships, cloak becoming to powerful.

It will give rise to way more unfair fights cause now we have a force of 30 well we have 120 cloaked ships well this way less good fight situations will happen.

To each their own I guess. Personally, I am happy to take any victory against my opponent whether that is 10-to-1, 1-to-1, or 1-to-10 as long as it furthers my interests in the game. I never got this concept of "gud fights" and am continually amazed by people who make game-breaking suggestions that drain the conflict from the game in attempt to create them. I am not referring directly to your suggestion here, but in general, players suggest all kind of things that would make the game so safe that no player-made stories at all could be generated because everyone just docks up or logs off anytime someone tries to interact with them. Eve Online is suppose to be a full-time, PvP sandbox game, not a consensual or balanced fleet fight simulator game.

Probably discussing the effects of changing local should wait until CCP actually announces they are going to do it because there is the very real possibility that it will never happen. The most likely opportunity is when the Observation Arrays gets implemented, but with the Drilling Platform so delayed who knows when that will be. Things have been strangely quiet though, and Eve Updates is almost empty so I get the sense they have been working on something big to reveal at or before Fanfest. The most likely bet is "new space", which could become the latest Jesus-feature that will bump Observatory Arrays off the development time-table forever, but even if that is the case, this new space will almost certainly come with a new type of local chat that may make its way to nullsec.

I suggest everyone wait a few months and see before wasting energy on complaining about or solving something that CCP may already have an iteration waiting for us.

this game is not for everyone and i doubt i'll be the only one playing this game after a couple more years.

I disagree that AFK cloaking is a big problem. I do agree it is sub-optimal game play and that that null sec needs a shake up. But this notion that it is a huge problem is, IMO, a load of nonsense that is written by people who are self-serving.

And yes, the handwriting is on the wall that AFK cloaking and NS intel will get a shake up. My guess ATM is that local is going to be removed, the Observatory Array put in game, and with the latter structure some fitting options will let you find cloaked ships that linger too long in a given spot. Intel will be vulnerable, cloaking ships will be vulnerable. AFK cloaking will no longer be needed to counter local.

Look, this is EVE there is no "unfair" fight. It is as simple as that.

First of all I think that the more ISK that players have the more likely they are to fight, AFK cloaky camping gets in the way of that, no one comes out to fight so we will prevent them from earning the ISK to be able to come out and fight, makes sense in a typical Eve way which is to stop your enemy from having fun.

As I have pointed out here a number of times the richer a player is to be able to get into the doctrine ships and then small gang stuff the more likely they are to go for it, but anyway, the boring AFK cloaky camp play is what Eve is all about, because people can't get into interceptors and catch stuff.

No you go in with a roam fleet and buzz around their area, if you want fights and want to disrupt them, but to leave a AFK player sitting in local allied to the threat of ht drops kills the game.

I got so fed up with so many lame asses doing it I gave up on 0.0.

Developers have nothing to do with this. In EVE, as in life, if you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

I am just saying there is no reason to promot fights hvis is 10 to 1 or 100 to 1, which is what cyno does. Maybe the ship capable of having such a module should also be expensive as it is really powerful. This is the real problem and not only the cloak its to cheap to use a feature so powerful.