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Is it possible? How far can I (now We) get?
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Artemis Drakos
Dystopian Society
#1 - 2017-01-24 04:13:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Artemis Drakos
So, I recently started a new character with the intent to challenge myself to see how far I can get in the game by only buying Skill Books and BPO’s (CCP Seeded Items) from the market.

I’ve been playing the game over 10 years and I know my way around and before even beginning I knew there were some elements of this game that would be unobtainable and I’m ok with that.
Things like T2 items will be impossible without going nullsec moon mining.
And obtaining certain ships such as Faction ships will only be possible through Agents I have standings with.

Rules,
No purchasing or selling from the market except for CCP seeded items (Skill Books and BPO’s)
No assistance from players not participating in the challenge.
Trading within corporation is allowed
Only new characters that follow the rules allowed within the corporation.

Story so far,
Completed Career missions
Have the following ships, Frig, Destroyer, Industrial (all from career missions)
Created Corporation
Invited new character (player) to join in on the challenge
Gained LVL 2 agent status
Bought and built weapon, ammo, basic defence mods, & light drones.

Long term goal,
Build a medium Engineering Complex or Citadel.


I’d love to get your input from an alternative point of view.
If there is something you think I haven’t thought through or If there is something I should consider within this challenge please let me know.
mkint
#2 - 2017-01-24 04:47:28 UTC
What about private trading/barter and contracts? Might be able to make direct contacts with some null alliance that has the stuff you need. Or something with FWers. Is the point of this a test of making due without the market, or a test of self/tribe reliance?

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Artemis Drakos
Dystopian Society
#3 - 2017-01-24 05:31:11 UTC
Its a mix of self/tribe reliance and not being influenced by years of playing.

Its easy to get ahead these days buy getting a handout or for a more relevant example,
As a 2 week old character we got a scram mod drop worth 90mil. Any normal person would be able to sell that on the market and buy many cruisers + fittings even without having the true skills to fly it nor caring about the loss that is inevitable.

Having taken two weeks of grinding missions, mining for ore to finally building myself a half decent frigate it really means a lot to me and when I'm about to lose it I get a rush like i haven't felt in nearly 10 years. The hard work creates value people in EVE don't seem to care about any more. This is the true reason I'm doing this.

That and knowing what it was like for the first players of EVE Online
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#4 - 2017-01-24 06:21:03 UTC
I can kind of understand. Just recently I was talking with a mate about memorable 'losses that hurt' and I realised the loss that hurt the most and really gave me a heavy heart at the time was a Myrmidon loss in level 3 mission. :p

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
2Sonas1Cup
#5 - 2017-01-24 06:44:11 UTC
Input: you'll never make it


Just go back to your level 4 missions like you were doing before.

Reply on this thread when you give up in the next 30 days.. thanks
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#6 - 2017-01-24 07:24:51 UTC
This is awesome. Keep us up to date!

@lunettelulu7
Salvos Rhoska
#7 - 2017-01-24 08:18:43 UTC
Id recommend allowing yourself to use the market.

Its a player market after all.

Or if you want to be hardcore pioneer spirit, barter what you have for things you need from other players by exchanging manually in hub stations.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#8 - 2017-01-24 08:44:14 UTC
What about loot from wrecks?
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-01-24 08:48:44 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Input: you'll never make it


Just go back to your level 4 missions like you were doing before.

Reply on this thread when you give up in the next 30 days.. thanks


lvl 5 negativity confirmed

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#10 - 2017-01-24 08:59:49 UTC
You've set some goals and you're having fun - in my opinion that is the right way to play Eve. I suspect you'll reconsider self-sufficiency when you see just how much material is required to build a Fortizar or Azbel! The mechanics of harvesting minerals and PI are pretty boring, the fun part, for me at least, is planning what you're going to do with them and seeing that plan come together.

My choice is to leverage the knowledge and skill I have acquired to pay others to do what I now consider "the boring stuff". The connections and interdependencies between players in this game are amazing and a large part of what keeps me engaged.
Orgah
Doomheim
#11 - 2017-01-24 09:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Orgah
Back in the day I tried to do the same, but in 0.0 for extra difficulty level.

Went to Stain with a fresh trial character and tried to live by mining, running level 1-2 missions and scavenging wrecks from the locals. That was way before metal scraps in loot and reprocessing nerf, so one could establish and maintain a supply of T1 fitted disposable frigs and dessies just by running L1 security missions for the Sansha.

Jump clones required standings then, I circumvented that by setting up a 1-man corp with HQ in Stain and transferring medical clone back and forth between the corp HQ and starting school station when needed.

Got bored after two months or so though, but it was a good survival experience.
Reinhardt Kreiss
TetraVaal Tactical Group
#12 - 2017-01-24 09:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Reinhardt Kreiss
Go do combat exploration in various parts of space, use the DS modules for your PVE needs. Hope for pirate frigate and cruiser BPC, build those and use or sell them. Go do ninja salvaging to build your own rigs and, if possible, use the loot from the mission ships you destroyed.
pinkajoo
#13 - 2017-01-24 13:34:26 UTC
Soooo...

If I give you 3bil... you'll return it? On principle? >:D
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#14 - 2017-01-24 13:39:53 UTC
pinkajoo wrote:
Soooo...

If I give you 3bil... you'll return it? On principle? >:D


Try it.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#15 - 2017-01-24 13:56:58 UTC
Like all DIYers in RL it will be where to get the knowledge to get what you need from. This is the most invaluable thing I have built up for myself. What mission, rat, faction, etc supplies what and in what amounts. Even such things as Merc Commanders used to be the best drop rates anywhere for 'arbalest' Heavy Missile Launchers. If you know where to source things then this is a VERY viable profession/task to do even though it takes more time and effort than most people are willing to put into it to pull it off as you are literally trading time, read isk, for the ability to source it yourself.


Btw though moon goo towers might be out of your range the irony is that ninja mining in low sec using the syphons might actually get you enough that you could actually build a T2 ship. The other route is WH space and WH items to build a T3 cruiser which will actually be EASIER to do what you want all told than T2 anyway.Blink

Knowledge is power here with this lifestyle. Moreso than any other "profession" in Eve ever will be.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
xpl0de
Caldari State
#16 - 2017-01-24 15:33:58 UTC
Kek. Good luck with that OP.
But there's nothing wrong with playing the game in w.e manner you wish to play. Do as you please, that's the point.

-10.0 since the Womb
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#17 - 2017-01-24 15:47:42 UTC
Sort of along the same lines....
Skill injectors bummed me out, because that kind of wiped out main ISK-making activity of building and selling chars.
Then gambling and betting sites going extinct bummed me out, because sports betting was my other main source of lazy ISK.
Now they're both gone, so I have to earn ISK through ingame activities again. Eve is actually interesting and fun again!
Lena Crews
Universal Sanitation Corporation
#18 - 2017-01-24 15:48:12 UTC
Artemis Drakos wrote:

So, I recently started a new character with the intent to challenge myself to see how far I can get in the game by only buying Skill Books and BPO’s (CCP Seeded Items) from the market.

I’ve been playing the game over 10 years and I know my way around and before even beginning I knew there were some elements of this game that would be unobtainable and I’m ok with that.
Things like T2 items will be impossible without going nullsec moon mining.
And obtaining certain ships such as Faction ships will only be possible through Agents I have standings with.

Rules,
No purchasing or selling from the market except for CCP seeded items (Skill Books and BPO’s)
No assistance from players not participating in the challenge.
Trading within corporation is allowed
Only new characters that follow the rules allowed within the corporation.

Story so far,
Completed Career missions
Have the following ships, Frig, Destroyer, Industrial (all from career missions)
Created Corporation
Invited new character (player) to join in on the challenge
Gained LVL 2 agent status
Bought and built weapon, ammo, basic defence mods, & light drones.

Long term goal,
Build a medium Engineering Complex or Citadel.


I’d love to get your input from an alternative point of view.
If there is something you think I haven’t thought through or If there is something I should consider within this challenge please let me know.



If you are not an Alpha I'd advise you complete all the career missions for all the factions (three sets of agents for each I believe).

This gives you a boatload of ships... some that you might need to train to use... but also I believe 24 ventures which will be useful. Even if you don't train for other racial frigates/destroyers... you can reprocess those ships to give needed materials to make your own stuff. You should also have over 100 million isk... which while you won't be buying a lot should get you some BPO's and skillbooks you'll need.
Mala Zvitorepka
Karthen-Woight
#19 - 2017-01-24 16:02:00 UTC
pinkajoo wrote:
Soooo...

If I give you 3bil... you'll return it? On principle? >:D

Eh, in this challenge ISK is mostly meaningless, so he could simply ignore donation and it wouldn't affect his play style. Or transfer that money to main :)
Some prints can be quite expensive, but mission running should provide enough ISK for them - there is no other expense, like an expensive ship and module to buy. And if he stays in hisec, he will have to run missions to get megacyte and zydrine.

Interesting challenge, might want to try it at some point.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#20 - 2017-01-24 17:54:31 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
I did something like this a few years ago and it can be a fun adventure. I'm trying to remember what rules I played by.

I had to build my own ships and ammo from BPOs or BPCs
I didn't do any any of the tutotial missions (just started with a rookie ship).
I used and reprocessed ship loot
BPOs, BPCs, and skill books were the only thing I bought on the market.
I could dump loot on the market for isk, but I couldn't buy anything.
LP was effectively worthless since I couldn't buy from the store. |
Implants came from loot or mission rewards (storyline).

I remember using a mix of guns and lasers, hauling was a chore. At the time finding a place to build things was a challenge. I was hunting the NPC convoys between stations at one point for equipment (feature not in the game anymore). I got busted once so badly by the customs officer that I had to file a stuck ticket because I was at -75million isk from contraband and he wouldn't release me.

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