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Beeflee Filee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-01-23 19:01:25 UTC
Do you want to win by starving out people? Or would you rather win through PVP? Now I have no problem making isk even if all our systems are camped, but it is a problem for the whole of corporations/alliances that a few people can just place their ship in a system and then go watch some TV or take a long poop time. The worst part is that it is probably an alt who is sitting in the system doing nothing.

Fun vs drag I know what I would choose and that is fun, more isk for alliances equal more fun as it allows for more ships to be bought and we can kill each a little more.

The problem is finding a way which would satisfy the majority of the players to make sure that inactive campers not have as much free reign to camp as they do now. There are a number of ways something could be done about it without interfering with the dropper who usually is not in a system for a very long time.

Systems especially in larger ships could interfere with the cloak making such that it only can hold a cloak for 2 hours which should be more than enough for a dropper in a system. At which point you need to reactivate the cloak. This would mean that a person could still be in a system for ever, but he would need to cloak up again once in a while. The time a cloak could be proportional to either ship size or even some specific systems in a ship could affect the time you could stay cloaked. It might even get rise to some new modules slowing for longer cloak time while others could make the cloak time less for some other benefit.

Maybe a module which makes use of wide burst of EMP could be used by ships in a system, to benefit the cloaky ship it might even be a module which could only be fitted to large and very large ships. This could give the cloakers a way to try and draw out more expensive ships for the purpose of a drop against them. Add a new way both to decloak ships but also a way for people to bait out larger ships, which can help with some new interesting tactics in eve.

I Would like to to discuss ideas about what can be done. Really I would just like that these individuals who are just putting an alt in a system to disrupt the fun and/or game play for others stop abusing some mechanics which should be handle in a better way. I would normally say in every game I have played that if it is in the game then use it. But to have more fun in this game I would say do not use it in the possibly worst way it can. You can argue that my ideas aren't great, and you may even be able to convince me, but then i suggest you help find a good solution to the problem instead of just throwing the thread away. I have seen countless threads about this topic, and since this topic keeps comming up most should at least agree that a solution to the problem is needed.

p.s If you wright in this thread and saying that no solution exist or that cloaks should not be broken or able to be broken by any means, I already think that you are one of the cloaky campers making use of this, and hope that CCP would ban your account.
Marika Sunji
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2017-01-23 19:03:35 UTC
Another cloaky thread, this one with bonus salt.
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I already think that you are one of the cloaky campers making use of this, and hope that CCP would ban your account.

Either you agree with me or you're part of the problem, huh?
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#3 - 2017-01-23 19:04:46 UTC
I think I've run out of popcorn at this stage!

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
Beeflee Filee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-01-23 19:08:16 UTC
Marika Sunji wrote:
Another cloaky thread, this one with bonus salt.
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I already think that you are one of the cloaky campers making use of this, and hope that CCP would ban your account.

Either you agree with me or you're part of the problem, huh?


Nope I actually wrote that on purpose because now I at least know of one who has nothing to contribute to the thread and there for I can stop paying attention to when ever you write in it :)
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#5 - 2017-01-23 19:17:46 UTC
Close local. Cloaky camper problem gone.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#6 - 2017-01-23 19:20:24 UTC
Beeflee Filee wrote:

Nope I actually wrote that on purpose because now I at least know of one who has nothing to contribute to the thread and there for I can stop paying attention to when ever you write in it :)


And you get an echo chamber! And you get an echo chamber! Echo chambers for everyone!
Beeflee Filee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-01-23 19:29:47 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Close local. Cloaky camper problem gone.


That would definitely close the problem and in some way fix it But I would say that would open up a whole new set of problems. I believe that it would make a lot of players move into high sec as it would be almost impossible to mine and so on except for prime time for the corp such that they could protect the miners. Which again would defeat the purpose of making enough isk to have a lot of pvp. I know that because we have had cloaky campers down in our systems for over a month now and they do absolutely nothing other than sit there which makes me think that it is nothing other than alts.

So another option came up we will rat and mine in the same system so if they should drop others could come and help and yes that negates the problem of one red in the system. But we also gain a lot less isk this way than we did before the cloaky campers.

Which is why I said in the main part would you wanna starve people out? or would you like to fight?
I am game for a fight even if the corps coming at us has way more ships than us at least it will be a fight and not just a competition about who can starve the others out first.
Marika Sunji
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-01-23 19:34:44 UTC
Beeflee Filee wrote:

So another option came up we will rat and mine in the same system so if they should drop others could come and help and yes that negates the problem of one red in the system. But we also gain a lot less isk this way than we did before the cloaky campers.

Hoo boy, w-space must keep you awake at night. Seriously. This is a null security area. It's not highsec. You aren't supposed to be mining all day on your own with (heh) null risk. Buuut, you don't really want to hear this, right?
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#9 - 2017-01-23 19:36:30 UTC
IB4L

There's a +420 page thread in the player ideas subforum to contain this salt mine. Please post your QQ there.

Just Add Water
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#10 - 2017-01-23 19:38:29 UTC
Lets stop pretending that this guy hiding behind an npc corp alt is someone who doesn't have an agenda.

And then lets help ISD by providing this nifty link to the actual place this Long Dead Ancient Horse (that even the best archeologist on earth couldn't find even if he dug up all of Egypt) actually belongs.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2017-01-23 19:38:32 UTC
*takes a shot*
Beeflee Filee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2017-01-23 19:41:23 UTC
Marika Sunji wrote:
Beeflee Filee wrote:

So another option came up we will rat and mine in the same system so if they should drop others could come and help and yes that negates the problem of one red in the system. But we also gain a lot less isk this way than we did before the cloaky campers.

Hoo boy, w-space must keep you awake at night. Seriously. This is a null security area. It's not highsec. You aren't supposed to be mining all day on your own with (heh) null risk. Buuut, you don't really want to hear this, right?


I am not saying I want no risk, I am saying that with no local there is to much risk compared to the the profit. if you go WH there is way more potential for profit. I know because thats why I said that I have no problem making money. I only do WH-space as I think that is way more fun I live on the thrill of not knowing what is going to happen next. and there it is cool that lokal does not exist. But I get why a local would exist in both high and null sec. The local reflects that somebody owns a place or that is at least what I would like to think. So if a corporation owns a system they would know what comes and goes in that system, you could call the local of system intell. that is why it does not exist in WH-space not engough security to actually keep track of what is happening in there.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#13 - 2017-01-23 19:50:23 UTC
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17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.

As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.


As we have a thread already on this issue here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=397030&find=unread
I will close this one.

ISD Max Trix

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