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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2017-01-20 23:02:54 UTC
Ji7 Aldard wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:

Also confused. I do lots of invention so I have cans for BPOs and BPCs. No problem. Need to find a particular BPC, use the search function or open the industry window and point it to the relevant can. Since invention requires lots of other Stuff™ I often move everything at once in a JF....if I need to move. But I could easily move all those BPOs/BPCs in a viator or crane.

And to be clear, I dump all the BPOs in one can, all the BPCs in one can. If you want a can for each BPO item...okay, but that seems just a tad compulsive to me.


if you need to put each build set to someone else its not a valid option to dump all of the bpcs in one can is it...

sure I have a can with 1000 bpos as well but those are not the ones I need to redistribute


What does "put each build set to someone else" mean? Did you mean assign?

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Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#42 - 2017-01-20 23:23:06 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
but once you set up the filters you never have to do it again. 180 filters isn't all that much and then you never need containers again


lol, you cant be serious....

filter type #1 move one to a different can
filter type #2 move one to a different can
filter type #3 move one to a different can
filter type #4 move one to a different can
filter type #5 move one to a different can
filter type #6 move one to a different can
filter type #7 move one to a different can
filter type #8 move one to a different can
filter type #9 move one to a different can
filter type #10 move one to a different can
filter type #11 move one to a different can
filter type #12 move one to a different can
filter type #13 move one to a different can
filter type #14 move one to a different can
filter type #15 move one to a different can
filter type #16 move one to a different can
filter type #17 move one to a different can
filter type #18 move one to a different can
filter type #19 move one to a different can
filter type #20 move one to a different can
create a contract for the removed BPCs
now repeat 10 times

srsly...
Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#43 - 2017-01-20 23:24:23 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:

What does "put each build set to someone else" mean? Did you mean assign?


assign / give / contract /exchange for something else

yes
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2017-01-21 05:29:37 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the invulnerable taxiceptor needs to be nerfed into the ground, not buffed even in minor ways like this.

Hard lock a 2.01 second align time minimum, and make that seriously hard to achieve. Then you can have your case.

I have a better idea. Reduce lock delay to 1 second, but nerf instalocking ships and reduce the sig radius of interceptors and other tiny ships so that sig radius actually matters and they can't get instalocked by anything larger than a destroyer. Gives interceptors too many effective hit points? Why of course it does! Nerf their HP and powergrid. Then reduce their mass so that they get some benefit from squeezing on those powergrid-hogging prop mods. Interceptors should be smaller ships, not overpowered ships shoehorned into their role.


Ji7 Aldard wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Then you can have your case.


when you have CCP infront of your name then we can talk about conditions. thank you and goodbye.

It's a valid point. Sometimes a perfectly good idea has a downside merely because some other problem exists in the game. It is important to talk about that if you want to get support from the veterans in the playerbase. I'm the first one to support any vaguely decent idea. You'll have to lower yourself a bit to get support from other folks. Just take their advice with a grain of salt, it comes with experience and it's not all bad.




A lot of you guys are mentioning how this has the downside of reducing tedium. This is also a fair point. At a glance it may seem like only an upside, but that tedium pushes people out of the blueprint industry and requires energy and time expenditure for others. Removing the tedium affects the market; it will make blueprints cheaper. It is important to consider these effects in the proposal, and that proposal should either offer a solution to counter the effects or explain why they are okay/good/wanted.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#45 - 2017-01-21 06:01:37 UTC
Ji7 Aldard wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
but once you set up the filters you never have to do it again. 180 filters isn't all that much and then you never need containers again


lol, you cant be serious....

filter type #1 move one to a different can
filter type #2 move one to a different can
filter type #3 move one to a different can
filter type #4 move one to a different can
filter type #5 move one to a different can
filter type #6 move one to a different can
filter type #7 move one to a different can
filter type #8 move one to a different can
filter type #9 move one to a different can
filter type #10 move one to a different can
filter type #11 move one to a different can
filter type #12 move one to a different can
filter type #13 move one to a different can
filter type #14 move one to a different can
filter type #15 move one to a different can
filter type #16 move one to a different can
filter type #17 move one to a different can
filter type #18 move one to a different can
filter type #19 move one to a different can
filter type #20 move one to a different can
create a contract for the removed BPCs
now repeat 10 times

srsly...



i don't think you understand how filters work.

you can make 1 filter that will show you one group of blueprints.


I.E.

i can make one filter and it will show me all BPO needed to build a Rhea I can make a filter to show me all BPCs to build a Rhea and i can make a filter to show me all BPO and BPC to build a rhea. I can make a filter that shows me all BPs and materials to build a rhea

I can make a filter for any item combination I wish


FOR I AM LUGH THE ALL MIGHTY, GOD OF FILTERS!!!!!!!!

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2017-01-21 06:27:27 UTC
+1


BPC stacking/sorting needs some serious luvin'

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Lugh Crow-Slave
#47 - 2017-01-21 06:31:15 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
+1


BPC stacking/sorting needs some serious luvin'



add a ME and TE value to the filters and we'll be set

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#48 - 2017-01-21 13:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ji7 Aldard
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
...


pls enliten me how to set filters then.
here is the thing:
you have a full cargohold of BPCs for the azbel, parts for the azbel, weapons and ammo for it, fighters, modules and as a bonus some other bpcs

lets make it easy and lets say all the structure parts bpcs are single run so you dont need to check there info, you have exactly the right number of bpcs to make 10 buidsets.

now one build set contains:
1 x Azbel Blueprint
6 x Structure Construction Parts Blueprint
4 x Structure Hangar Array Blueprint
4 x Structure Storage Bay Blueprint
8 x Structure Laboratory Blueprint
8 x Structure Factory Blueprint
4 x Structure Repair Facility Blueprint
4 x Structure Reprocessing Plant Blueprint
4 x Structure Docking Bay Blueprint
4 x Structure Market Network Blueprint
4 x Structure Medical Center Blueprint
4 x Structure Office Center Blueprint
4 x Structure Advertisement Nexus Blueprint
2 x Standup ASML Missile Launcher I Blueprint
2 x Standup ASML-LD Missile Blueprint
2 x Standup ASML-MD Missile Blueprint
2 x Standup ASML-SD Missile Blueprint
1 x Standup Co-Processor Array I Blueprint
1 x Standup Reprocessing Facility I Blueprint
1 x Standup Research Lab I Blueprint
1 x Standup Signal Amplifier I Blueprint
1 x Standup Warp Scrambler I Blueprint
5 x Dragonfly I Blueprint
5 x Einherji I Blueprint
5 x Equite I Blueprint
5 x Firbolg I Blueprint
5 x Siren I Blueprint
5 x Retriever Blueprint

and lets just end the list here. now pls tell me how to make a filter to split the stack to 10 buildsets.
Mordachai
Eternal Darkness.
#49 - 2017-01-25 09:23:56 UTC
These kind of threads have been popping up once in a while but ccp doesnt care nor does the csm as its apparent on these forums.

but fyi you cant have more then 1000 items in any hangar/container/inventory and with a small container having space for 12k blueprints makes 91% of your space in those containers unuseable. so having a containers of 10m3 would be perfect for 1k bpc's.
Cynis Auscent
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2017-01-25 12:50:35 UTC
Ji7 Aldard wrote:
...and as many still not understand, this is a game not a second unpayed job :D



This is so true!
Lugh Crow-Slave
#51 - 2017-01-25 14:32:11 UTC
Cynis Auscent wrote:
Ji7 Aldard wrote:
...and as many still not understand, this is a game not a second unpayed job :D



This is so true!



that's right because it's a second job that you pay for

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#52 - 2017-01-25 15:09:37 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Ji7 Aldard wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Would you like there to be even one single tradeoff to your utterly risk free blueprint hauling taxiceptor?

What does risk-free intercepter-hauling have to do with this proposal? He's not proposing affecting the risk of hauling in an interceptor, he is talking about arranging objects in frigate cargoholds.


see... this guy knows what Im talking about. thx

the risk is the same as with hauling all the bpos directly in the cargohold. its just the simple fact of having them organised.
oh and a downside? probably like 200 units of trit required to build the cases.



except the reward is now higher as it gains you connivance


To be honest, I don't think pirates will go "Oh, this guy has all his BPOs and BPCs ordered just right with his ten blueprint cases, let's be lenient and let him go."

So no, you don't get more "connivance" out of this. Maybe more convenience, but that's not a reward.
Havenard
Havenard Corporation
#53 - 2017-01-25 18:05:34 UTC
I organize mine in the 120m3 containers and I see no problem with that. The volume only matters if you plan on moving it, but why the hell are you moving hundreds of blueprints around in the first place?

At least let me know what route you are taking so I can ready up my Tornado.
Cynis Auscent
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2017-01-25 20:26:16 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Cynis Auscent wrote:
Ji7 Aldard wrote:
...and as many still not understand, this is a game not a second unpayed job :D



This is so true!



that's right because it's a second job that you pay for



You're making it worse Big smileP
Mordachai
Eternal Darkness.
#55 - 2017-01-26 11:21:58 UTC
Havenard wrote:
I organize mine in the 120m3 containers and I see no problem with that. The volume only matters if you plan on moving it, but why the hell are you moving hundreds of blueprints around in the first place?

At least let me know what route you are taking so I can ready up my Tornado.

simply because i.e. astrahaus pack bpc's take like 0.8 m3 or something or less dont know and moving 10 packs or something is a horrible waste of space.
Havenard
Havenard Corporation
#56 - 2017-01-26 14:54:32 UTC
Mordachai wrote:
Havenard wrote:
I organize mine in the 120m3 containers and I see no problem with that. The volume only matters if you plan on moving it, but why the hell are you moving hundreds of blueprints around in the first place?

At least let me know what route you are taking so I can ready up my Tornado.

simply because i.e. astrahaus pack bpc's take like 0.8 m3 or something or less dont know and moving 10 packs or something is a horrible waste of space.


Then don't use a container, it's a dozen items, this is hardly reason enough to use containers.

If you are so paranoid about organizing your precious blueprint packs, use Plastic Wraps. Make a Courier contract to your alt, accept and fail it, and you will have a Plastic Wrap containing the stuff exactly with the same volume of it's content.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2017-01-26 19:18:04 UTC
Havenard wrote:
Mordachai wrote:
Havenard wrote:
I organize mine in the 120m3 containers and I see no problem with that. The volume only matters if you plan on moving it, but why the hell are you moving hundreds of blueprints around in the first place?

At least let me know what route you are taking so I can ready up my Tornado.

simply because i.e. astrahaus pack bpc's take like 0.8 m3 or something or less dont know and moving 10 packs or something is a horrible waste of space.


Then don't use a container, it's a dozen items, this is hardly reason enough to use containers.

If you are so paranoid about organizing your precious blueprint packs, use Plastic Wraps. Make a Courier contract to your alt, accept and fail it, and you will have a Plastic Wrap containing the stuff exactly with the same volume of it's content.



Just because this^ currently works doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.


It may not impact you personally much, but for people who do build big things, the antiquated coding around BPC's is a huge PITA.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Lugh Crow-Slave
#58 - 2017-01-27 12:10:32 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Havenard wrote:
Mordachai wrote:
Havenard wrote:
I organize mine in the 120m3 containers and I see no problem with that. The volume only matters if you plan on moving it, but why the hell are you moving hundreds of blueprints around in the first place?

At least let me know what route you are taking so I can ready up my Tornado.

simply because i.e. astrahaus pack bpc's take like 0.8 m3 or something or less dont know and moving 10 packs or something is a horrible waste of space.


Then don't use a container, it's a dozen items, this is hardly reason enough to use containers.

If you are so paranoid about organizing your precious blueprint packs, use Plastic Wraps. Make a Courier contract to your alt, accept and fail it, and you will have a Plastic Wrap containing the stuff exactly with the same volume of it's content.



Just because this^ currently works doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.


It may not impact you personally much, but for people who do build big things, the antiquated coding around BPC's is a huge PITA.



as someone who handles a lot of builds both with alts and other people i can say the amount of PITA with BPs is greatly over exaggerated

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2017-01-28 06:13:20 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:



as someone who handles a lot of builds both with alts and other people i can say the amount of PITA with BPs is greatly over exaggerated



YOU can continue using the caveman strategy of contracting to your alts then.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Mordachai
Eternal Darkness.
#60 - 2017-02-08 07:32:39 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:



as someone who handles a lot of builds both with alts and other people i can say the amount of PITA with BPs is greatly over exaggerated



YOU can continue using the caveman strategy of contracting to your alts then.


Although i could do contracts... but in the end thats isk lost and effort went into making the dam contracts and imho thats not the way contract system is intended to.

Whynot allow containers to have sections just like corp hangar 7 sections or something. same volume just break it down into sections that case total amount og items in a container will be 7k items.