Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I won't deny that Target painters are useful, they are. Increasing damage application is important, especially in medium and large groups and when large ships engage small ones, but the situations where they are more useful than the disruptive types of Ewar are few and far between. I think they should be more useful than they currently are and so make the following suggestion.

I would suggest that target painters become able to apply to their targets an additional negative affect to Agility, on top of Signature, and then have optimization scripts to focus on one or the other.

I think this will make them more useful in close range combat and give the option towards applying an actual disruptive effect to opponents rather than just making them a bigger target. The disruption of agility may also be more helpful for turret based weapons than just a signature increase as it will allow the ability to out maneuver targets by decreasing their angular velocity and slow their acceleration.

I think doing this would give them much more usability in most pvp aspects, and may even make them worthwhile to fit on non-bonused ship hulls.

Could this work? Any other suggestions for changes to Target Painters?

Could be a nice tool for kiters. Have to think about it. The question is more if the TP needs a buff like that.

At the other hand, i allways thought it would be cool if Target painters would increase the Heat Damage a ship get's from overloading it's Modules as a secondary effect. Same % amount as the Signatur Radius increase. Don't know exactly why but that pretty red beam crys out for it somehow....

If you think painters aren't worth putting on a non-bonused hull, you don't know how they work. The sig bloom from just a single non-bonused painter helps a lot if you're shooting a single size category down.

No, but yes, but no... but yes, but no. Nope. Definitely nope.

A single tracking computer usually works better, and is more versatile though, This means its use is pretty much invalidated for most damage application cases in exceptionally small groups or 1 vs 1 cases.

When the target painters can intrude as a practical form of ewar in 1vs1 frigate/destroyer combat or ships of similar size, then I may consider them being in a good spot, but if their only use is to allow big ships to shoot smaller ships then I think they are lacking.

There is a difference between will usually not use, and never use. There are many solo pvp fits that do use unbonused ewar, as they all have their place and can all be beneficially used in selective fights. TPs though only have a place within the group.

Just as Damps and Tracking disruptors have benefited from the use of scripts to apply a versatility of how they disrupt their opponent, I would really like to see Target painters receive a similar treatment. Versatility of use is important in a module as mundane as a target painter. To get this versatility it needs to have a secondary effect and I think an agility detrimental effect would most suit it.

No thank you.

Lol, I laughed as I watched that and remembered many of the wtf moments I had while I questioned the ship design when I had been trying to make a fit for it.

I don't think that target painters really need any buff. If ship happens to have midslot to spare and fleet already has enough points and webs, it's painter that is going to go that slot, not tracking disruptor, damp or ecm.

since they are


A) free

and

B) can have as many as they want alphas are irrelevant when balancing